OT: True Crime
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axlsalinger
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LeafGm
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Huh. I went to high-school in York Region, and our school had a lunatic, rage-filled, sexually predatory teacher who’s last name was Cantelon. Wonder if they were related.
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Game, set, match. Oswald was not a lone assassin. The kill shot came from the grassy knoll, full stop. Multiple shooters = conspiracy.
I'm not sure how well known this story is around the rest of the country. I was always aware of the story because my family was from Kenora. In 1973 a man walked into a CIBC strapped with dynamite, with a dead man's switch in his mouth and a couple of guns. When the robber walked out of the bank, a cop shot him... Here's part 1 and 2 of the recent W5 story and the original from 1983.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ine4OHheOA&ab_channel=OfficialW5
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRPBv6VO7FU&ab_channel=OfficialW5
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFoYfEGtrVM&t=311s&ab_channel=OfficialW5
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ine4OHheOA&ab_channel=OfficialW5
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRPBv6VO7FU&ab_channel=OfficialW5
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFoYfEGtrVM&t=311s&ab_channel=OfficialW5
Montana
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At first glance I thought this said Korea, and my mind was blown like a stick of dynamite.
(Never heard this story, can’t wait to check these out)
It's a pretty crazy story. Canada's DB Cooper... But instead on getting away, he got blown to bits.
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That was a great watch, can’t believe it’s not more well known, kinda like a Canadian DB Cooper story as you say.
Kinda crazy the cop didn’t get any blame for firing off that round without any directive from above….given he had a dead man’s switch, and undercover cop a few feet away, and a thousand plus spectators within range of any potential shrapnel (if he’d had Unabomber type bombs, he’d have fucked up a ton of them).
Cop got off lucky that it played out as it did, imo….no way he gets authorized to take that shot today.
Kinda crazy the cop didn’t get any blame for firing off that round without any directive from above….given he had a dead man’s switch, and undercover cop a few feet away, and a thousand plus spectators within range of any potential shrapnel (if he’d had Unabomber type bombs, he’d have fucked up a ton of them).
Cop got off lucky that it played out as it did, imo….no way he gets authorized to take that shot today.
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The Kenora police department was not prepared for anything like that. Sounds like it was just chaos with nobody taking charge. It's a miracle that only the robber was killed. That was a pretty massive explosion. Luckily it seems that the guy (unlike the Unabomber) didn't appear to be out to cause extra damage.
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Thanks for the spoiler
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Yeah I kinda disagree with that notion the guy had that he did it all as a pre-planned suicide by cop…think he’s unintentionally trying to give that cop a pass for murdering him and endangering so many other lives. (The undercover cop says the heft of the duffel bags carrying the money, saved his life).
It was just pure reckless cowboy bullshit where he wanted to be the hero, adrenalin got the better of him and he fired on a guy wrapped in dynamite with a hangman’s switch, lol.
I think the guy expected to get away with the robbery (hence being there so long beforehand, being willing to continue paying for the room while he went on the bus trip to Winnipeg, etc)….but was also fine killing himself if it went tits up, rather than going to jail for a long ass sentence. He chose that town imo, because of his high confidence of being able to pull it off, after casing it for a couple weeks.
Just to your DB point tho, I’m again floored that this isn’t the kind of case everyone in Canada knows about and is a part of pop culture, cause the photos of the guy seem so iconic on their own…..then you also have a LIVE broadcast occurring from just above it. Then the mystery of who he was on top of it?…..just has all the makings of a hugely popular case. So weird to have not heard of it till now.
To be fair, it happens pretty early in the doc. Not really a surprise ending.
Oh yeah, he definitely planned on getting away. It was odd that he told them to call the cops... but I guess he had a plan. He probably gave the cops too much credit and expected them to follow protocol.
I've always wondered why this isn't so much more known. That broadcast is unreal. Like, it literally all played out directly in front of the radio station and these guys just had iconic sounding voices and absolutely nailed the play by play. I mean, it may have well been Vin Scully calling a walk off grand slam to win the World Series. "Whoever he was, is no more."
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Yeah, I think he wanted them to call the cops so he could get the ball rolling on negotiations getting the truck etc, and laying out his demands for them….but also have them on scene and in the loop as he left, assuming that would be a calmer scenario, than them arriving at full speed as he’s racing out the door, and potentially opening fire.
Like, I think explaining the dead man’s switch etc, was all important elements of it so that a cop wouldn’t do exactly what that cop ended up doing, haha.
Yeah good call, that line was perfection….and then you also have the co-worker in the background getting hysterical at one point, and him calling for someone to help her. It all just added to the drama of it.
Also the insanity of the undercover cop holding his stomach cause he thought his intestines had been blown out, believing he’s literally holding himself together……only for another officer to explain to him he’s holding onto a chunk of the robber. You couldn’t make that sort of thing up.
It’s got all the crazy elements for a story that everyone thinks about & tries to solve etc…..but in 40+ years I’d never heard a single thing about it.
I’m shocked the CBC didn’t dedicate a True Crime podcast crew to it….(still should given how few likely saw this W5 actually).
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A typically Canadian ending.
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In 1972 cops didn't wait or need authorization to discharge their weapons. Their guns weren't for show. They were expected to use them if they had to and were trained (supposedly) to determine when such force was necessary in the moment, not wait to be second guessed by some guy sitting behind a desk. And in 1972 the public at large held the cops in such high esteem (especially in hick towns like Kenora where everyone was white and brought up to believe that the cops were their friends) no one would ever have questioned the cop for blowing the guy away.
Kenora is actually located right in between a couple of reserves. There has always been a lot of distrust in the police. It's a very touristy place due to being on Lake of the Woods. A lot of famous people have/had cottages on the lake. Kurt Russel and Goldie Hawn still have a place out there, I believe. John Wayne apparently had one. Going out on the lake is pretty amazing. There are tons of massive cottages out on the different islands. Tennis courts and helicopter landing pads, huge boats etc.
So, I watched "DB Cooper, Where Are You?" on Netflix. It was decent, since I really didn't know the story all the well. It was interesting that there are theories that he was a Canadian. The name he gave the airline was "Dan Cooper" and apparently Dan Cooper is a comic book character who is in the air force and jumps out of planes. So it may not be a coincidence that he used that name.
If he was Canadian... maybe 2 years later, he robbed the CIBC in Kenora.
If he was Canadian... maybe 2 years later, he robbed the CIBC in Kenora.