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OT: WWE/MMA/Boxing Thread

Montana

Montana

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GGpX said:
After UFC 293, Dana said during the press conference that the rematch was the most logical step. A few days later, during the Contender Series press conference, he didn't quite walk it back, but left the door open to other avenues.

One of Dana's major blindspots, beyond how he treats the fighters financially, is his insistence for immediate rematches or near immediate rematches. Remember a decade ago when he wanted to do Lesnar-Mir 3 and there was a major public outcry? So much so that he openly said, yeah that wasn't something they'd be going forward with because of how hte fans reacted.
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I’ll give him some credit for doing what boxing often failed to do, which is giving fans the fights they want to see…..and like your example here, he’ll bend to fan pressure so long as it’s easy on his pocketbook.

GGpX said:
I'm open to immediate rematches under 4 conditions:

1- A long reigning champion loses his belt to a new challenger. The champion should have the opportunity to avenge that loss immediately.
2- A fight that is stopped prematurely, such as an early eye poke rendering one of the fighters incapable of continuing. (See Austin Lane - Junior Tafa)
3- A massive robbery with the judges or a complete referee fuck-up.
4- A fucking badass fight and the result was close. I could watch Gaethje / Poirier / Chandler / Prime Ferguson fight each other over & over and I don't think I'd ever get tired of it.
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pretty much agree to the letter. I’m sure if we tried we could find some outliers to these 4, where it still made sense to make the rematch…..but overall I think that’s a pretty ideal framework to go off.

GGpX said:
But the reality is, according to court documents, the UFC doesn't see the belts as something that determines who the best in the world is, they see belts as a "prize" to give out at the end of the night. Israel signed a contract that made him the highest paid fighter in the UFC, there's no chance they're going to have him fight in three round fights before the main event. They want him to headline because they're paying him as one of their main headliners.
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I’ve completely dipped on MMA news etc in recent years, and just watch the bigger fights when streams can be found…..so hadn’t heard about this revelation in court documents.

It’s both unsurprising on some level (mimics WWE verbiage) but is also so brazenly gross that it kinda makes my stomach churn.

as Mindz has mentioned before, it’s already hard enough to watch this sport or NFL, knowing the long term ramifications for these guys, how they’re being financially exploited etc……but to also remove on top of that the idea it’s a real competition & sport to discover who is #1…..really lays bare that it’s just gladiators in the colosseum fighting to the ‘death’ for our frivolous entertainment.


…but at its best, I still fucking love it. 😡
 
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oscarheyman

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Montana said:
I’ll give him some credit for doing what boxing often failed to do, which is giving fans the fights they want to see…..and like your example here, he’ll bend to fan pressure so long as it’s easy on his pocketbook.



pretty much agree to the letter. I’m sure if we tried we could find some outliers to these 4, where it still made sense to make the rematch…..but overall I think that’s a pretty ideal framework to go off.



I’ve completely dipped on MMA news etc in recent years, and just watch the bigger fights when streams can be found…..so hadn’t heard about this revelation in court documents.

It’s both unsurprising on some level (mimics WWE verbiage) but is also so brazenly gross that it kinda makes my stomach churn.

as Mindz has mentioned before, it’s already hard enough to watch this sport or NFL, knowing the long term ramifications for these guys, how they’re being financially exploited etc……but to also remove on top of that the idea it’s a real competition & sport to discover who is #1…..really lays bare that it’s just gladiators in the colosseum fighting to the ‘death’ for our frivolous entertainment.


…but at its best, I still fucking love it. 😡
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Amazing to think that Shane McMahon tried (and failed) to convince his dad to purchase the UFC a couple decades ago (when it was possible by the WWE). One of those 'what if's'. Guess Vince McMahon preferred to dump that money into his XFL venture back then.
 
GGpX

GGpX

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Sports, for the very large part, are different forms of gross exploitation. There are a lot of terrible people at every corner, whether it's the rich owners, the scumbags in management, the people recruiting literal children for academies, grooming in gyms, etc.

I mean, shit, this is a hockey forum and we're discussing the sport on a nearly year round. I love the sport, I grew up with it, but hockey is fucking gross. There are so many appalling things about the sport and the people in it. The glorification of violence and the ignorance of the effects that they have are particularly nauseating to me. And I'm not even talking about fighting, honestly. I have more of an issue with players that swing their sticks around or use their sticks to crosscheck people in their lower backs.

To me, there's something inherently fucked up that the main selling point of a sport is a "dream" when everyone knows that 99.999% of the participants will never, ever come close to making it. My dream is to be a Stanley Cup champion, to be world champion, or to [insert very improbable goal here]. You're putting it in the heads of kids as something they should center their lives around... as your business model.

Football is a different type of icky feeling. You attract players, who are for the very most part under-privileged families in the worst parts of America, to come to your college with the allure of "free education", while feeding them the dream of making it to the NFL to make money.

And that's not including the Saudis & sportswashing.

ramble ramble ramble
 
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soco22

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Montana said:
Is it true Izzy is getting another immediate rematch?…..saw it mentioned on Twitter but find that hard to believe, even for Dana.

if you’re undefeated previously, sure…..if it’s your first title loss in that division after years dominating, by all means…..but to be your third career UFC loss, all three of which are pretty damn conclusive losses, and your second in division within a calendar year??? What are we doing.
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Dana walked it back already on the Tuesday night right after. Likely a #1 contender match in Dhabi coming up instead.
 
Montana

Montana

Champion
Agreed with all the above…but at least those sports have been forced to equally share their revenue with the athletes generating it.

NHL, MLB, NBA, and EPL I can enjoy pretty guilt free….they make their sacrifices, but I think their risks are fairly minimal relative to the upside of being pretty set financially in the end, which I’d imagine a pretty dece amount are, relative to the three below.

MMA, NFL, and College Football are just another level of gross though.

all of which are pretty self explanatory, but I’ll add in the NFL’s case, it’s an instance of a Players Association, being a pretty huge failure, relative to other leagues.
 
GGpX

GGpX

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So it looks like the PFL is on the verge of buying Bellator, which would give them a firm hold on the second spot behind the UFC in the world.

The problem with the PFL, like with every other organization besides the UFC, is that they aren't making money.

They're making big moves, but I can't help but wonder how this is going to end.
 
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