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The 2019-2020 MotherFucking Season Thread

Sorry but I take muzzin at 5.6 for 4 years over 10+ mil for 7 years of Pietro. They really need to avoid another Tavares situation.
 
Doesn't matter now. If you have 5 players making $50 mill. That leaves $33-34 million for 15 players and Rielly, Muzzin and Andersen already take up almost half of that.

So you have to fill 12 roster spots for $18 mill. Good luck icing an NHL team.
 
leafman101 said:
Doesn't matter now. If you have 5 players making $50 mill. That leaves $33-34 million for 15 players and Rielly, Muzzin and Andersen already take up almost half of that.

So you have to fill 12 roster spots for $18 mill. Good luck icing an NHL team.
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Yeah, I was on board with the Dubas vision but there are definitely questions creeping up. I have not waivered after my emotional Saturday night. I'm still on the trade (or at least EXPLORE trading) Mucho bandwagon for that very reason. That would open up a whole whack of opportunities and flexibility for glasses to work his magic.
 
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Assuming a modest $2 mill cap increase, they can move Kappy/Dermott for the best RHD they can get that makes around $5 mill or less and give Mikheyev the Hyman contract. Maybe the cap will jump a bit more.
 
leafman101 said:
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Assuming a modest $2 mill cap increase, they can move Kappy/Dermott for the best RHD they can get that makes around $5 mill or less and give Mikheyev the Hyman contract. Maybe the cap will jump a bit more.
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And realistically that should be a fine bottom 6 if healthy. If AJ returns to his 40-45 point form and Kerfoot is Kerfoot, that's more than enough to drive a quality NHL third line. 4th line looks nice too. Like Kadri, Kapanen is a luxury, not a necessity. A top 4 RHD is far more crucial for this team. And unlike with Kadri, Dubas should not feel pressured to address a third line slot on top of getting the D. Just get the defensman. And don't fuck it up. He's the last realistic tradeable asset they have unless they go the Mucho route.
 
Preston said:
So I love the raptors but this new thing of comparing the leafs to the raptors as a tool to spew venom on the leafs might be the most annoying media creation of the season.

There was a debate the other day about how the leafs need a Lowry. Guys. They're different sports. Attack the leafs all you want; they deserve to take some shit. But please stop this moronic inter-sport comparison thing. Particularly the raptors media have been eating it up in their smug way, as if they weren't an embarrassment for several years before they got Kawhi.
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Lowry was shit on a lot prior to last year and looked at as a prima donna. When he almost left as a free agent but came back to the Raptors because they offered the most $ he was ripped to shreds.
 
As for Soup, I'm betting he prefers to bet on himself on a cheap 1 year deal. His injury definitely limited his upside on any contract and I'm sure he knows that. If I'm glasses I try to long him up longer term though. The Hyman contract would be a hilarious steal.. But it's more likely they get him at that clip on a 1 year deal unfortunately. Dude was playing at a 50ish point pace with no PP time and was just gaining another gear in the games prior to his injury (6 points in ~5.5 games and generally looking dare I say... Dominant). He'd be a real nice piece to have for the next 3-5 years at a decent clip.
 
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Lowry was shit on a lot prior to last year and looked at as a prima donna. When he almost left as a free agent but came back to the Raptors because they offered the most $ he was ripped to shreds.
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Yeah, players are always soft, losers until they win. Ovie, Yzerman, Bourque, Lowry. Some people thought O'Reilly was a loser and now he is considered Dougy 2.0. The list goes on and on.

The fact that a team, or players, haven't won in their first 3 years isn't a meaningful predictor of future success.
 
leafman101 said:
It would have been possible, but a tight squeeze, including likely having to move out one of Kappy/Johnsson/Kerfoot to fill out the roster, if they let Muzzin and Barrie go.

But after giving Muzzin $6 mill it will be hard to create the $10 mill or so it would take. You need to trade one of the big 4, or Freddy, or all 3 of the $3 mill forwards.

Doesn't look like its in the plans.

Dubas made it sound like they don't even have the cap flexibility to keep Barrie, not that we should.
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Yeah, late last night I tried to create the roster and it’s really tough. Have to shed Johnsson for sure, and if giving $2m to Mikheyev and filling in the other two or three roster spots at league minimum, I think there was like $5m or so left. Now, if the cap goes up enough....
 
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I feel good for that guy. He was so happy in that interview after the game. Got to live out a childhood dream.

Its not his fault the Leafs put up an embarrassing performance.
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As much as I was dying that night, I also liked the guy in the post game stuff and was happy for him that he got to live out a fantasy like that. But the crap that follows in the next couple days sorta wiped the aw shucks off of him for me. So yeah, fuck him.
 
Preston said:
And realistically that should be a fine bottom 6 if healthy. If AJ returns to his 40-45 point form and Kerfoot is Kerfoot, that's more than enough to drive a quality NHL third line. 4th line looks nice too. Like Kadri, Kapanen is a luxury, not a necessity. A top 4 RHD is far more crucial for this team. And unlike with Kadri, Dubas should not feel pressured to address a third line slot on top of getting the D. Just get the defensman. And don't **** it up. He's the last realistic tradeable asset they have unless they go the Mucho route.
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I think Kapanen is kinda a necessity, and Johnsson the luxury.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
I think Kapanen is kinda a necessity, and Johnsson the luxury.
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I'd prefer trading AJ too but he doesn't have any value. Especially not now after his shitty season and now injury. Kapanen is the guy that you can get a lot for. Obviously you still have to be sure that you're getting a real good top 4 d; you can't just give him away. And it's a trade that glasses needs to nail if he does indeed go that route. Hopefully Kapanen continues his solid play for the rest of the year. If they're going to sell they need to sell high. Everyone always wants to trade players after disappointing years, which is never the route to go.
 
I think Kappy is the best of the 3 for sure, and in terms of what he brings (PK, some grit, speed/energy) the most useful to our team, but he's also the most valuable in a trade. IMO getting a legit top pair RHD is more important than a third line winger.

But yeah, if you can do it for Johnsson by all means.

Kerfoot is the most important of the three, and I'd definitely keep, because he can play centre.
 
Agree with all that. That’s why I wouldn’t trade those two though. And yeah, unless Johnsson yields a 1st, which is probably tough right now, gotta just hold onto him.

I think this next playoff appearance is going to make or break a lot of opinions though. If we get knocked out in the first round again, we’ll be much more inclined to part with certain players for the sake of advancement. But if we do well, it’s probably going to go the other way.

I still much prefer to fill the need on D with a UFA. Best one we can fit in.
 
So running the numbers on the cap, with modest raises to the RFA, we're pretty much set for next year with no urgent cap issues but no room to add any big salaries either.

Also, we'll finally be free of all the longterm LTIR crap that has limited our cap trickery and limited our actual cap savings due to injuries.

Hyman - Matthews - Marner
Mikheyev - Tavares - Nylander
Johnsson - Kerfoot - Kapanen
Engvall - Spezza - Clifford
(Malgin / Goat)

Rielly - Dermott
Muzzin - Holl
Sandin - Lilly
(Marincin)

Freddy
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Obviously, the concern there would be the inexperienced blueline. Still, though, there's no dman there that I want urgently replaced, either.

But, overall, everybody there is on a good contract, with good young skilled depth everywhere, so there are all sorts of options to make real legit hockey trades to potentially upgrade wherever we think we want to.
 
At the end of the day, a Johnsson Dermott package is what I put out there to see if it can bring in the stud young rhd. Absent adding a Pietro or someone really good in the next UFA tier (if any exist), that’s the way I go.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
At the end of the day, a Johnsson Dermott package is what I put out there to see if it can bring in the stud young rhd. Absent adding a Pietro or someone really good in the next UFA tier (if any exist), that’s the way I go.
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Braun, Tanev, Gudas, Schultz, Heed are all out there. I haven't looked into any of them in too much detail this year but glasses can do his homework and figure out if any are a fit. I'm of the opinion that they don't need a world beater back there. Pietrangelo would be too pricey and really not all that necessary. They need a legit, very capable 4. Not even a good one.. An average one. Because as I said, Muzzin, Holl, Rielly, and mystery #4 guy is more than fine. Of course, in a Kapanen trade you can shoot much higher than that group of UFAs. Those are all just stop gaps.. And with the expansion draft coming up, maybe you take the stop gap for now and expose him.
 
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