leafman101
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As much as losing Hyman would suck you don't sign 30 year old secondary players to big UFA deals. Only way it works is on a bargain deal.
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JackBurton
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That reeks of a Lou signing really.
Wayward DP
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yeah it's tough cause I've come to really appreciate Hyman's contributions. but at market value on a UFA deal, impossible to justify.
leafman101
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Best case scenario is Robertson is legit, brings something similar to Hyman with 30+ goal skill, and you have Robertson/Johnsson/Mikheyev on the left side, relatively cheap, for at least another 2 years (assuming Mikheyev signs a Brown/Hyman deal), and Marner/Nylander/Kappy on the right side.
Given that wing depth I would think Hyman's potential UFA contract salary is better used somewhere else.
Of course, a cap drop could force them to move Johnsson/Kappy this offseason, and a subsequent cap rise would make keeping Hyman more appealing.
Given that wing depth I would think Hyman's potential UFA contract salary is better used somewhere else.
Of course, a cap drop could force them to move Johnsson/Kappy this offseason, and a subsequent cap rise would make keeping Hyman more appealing.
LeafGm
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I’m with the general consensus here.
Big fan of Hyman, and the guy just keeps improving every year. In a non-cap world, I’d want him to play most if not all of his career with the Leafs.
But there is a cap, and paying a 30 year-old Hyman market value on a UFA deal is a luxury we just can’t afford. Unless he’ll take a steep discount to stay with his hometown team, let him get his big pay-day somewhere else.
Big fan of Hyman, and the guy just keeps improving every year. In a non-cap world, I’d want him to play most if not all of his career with the Leafs.
But there is a cap, and paying a 30 year-old Hyman market value on a UFA deal is a luxury we just can’t afford. Unless he’ll take a steep discount to stay with his hometown team, let him get his big pay-day somewhere else.
JackBurton
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It's ironic he actually started scoring more with Keefe given how much the former coach drooled on him.
Preston
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I'm struggling with the decision to re-sign him a lot more than I expected, that's for sure. He's a really really really good hockey player. It's just that history has not been kind to longer term extensions for even averagish 1st liners signed at that age.
But fuck, he'd be a big loss. Let's not pretend he won't be.
But fuck, he'd be a big loss. Let's not pretend he won't be.
WellPlayed
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Sing him for 3 years at a sweetheart rate and do a handshake deal to publish and purchase every children's book he ever writes for the rest of his life, and invest in his e-sports company when he retires.
trujaysfan
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We know players who play the style hyman plays break down earlier than pure skill players but has anyone looked at the path he took to the NHL (OJHL, US college) and looked at players longevity? Anecdotally it would appear a less taxing path than CHL to AHL for a players body and may allow them to extend productive years.
leaffan2005
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I'd rather have him than AJ to be honest. If he accepts a tad bit more than him on a 2-3 year deal then I think you have to do it. He brings an element that we just don't have on our team and makes every line he is on better.
Preston
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I agree. 2-3 years with a high AAV is perfectly fine for a player of his caliber IMO.
When we start getting to the David Backes, JVR, Frans Nielsen, Andrew Ladd, Lucic, Eriksson contracts... That's when I would have to reluctantly say no I think. Based on clear historical evidence (those names just came from the top of my head - there are a lot more and probably better examples), it's very tough to justify.
zeke
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Big difference there is that hyman is a great skater. Those guys were all slugs.
Preston
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This is true outside of Frans Nielsen. But I just can't find many players of his caliber signed at that age that turned out to be good contracts in recent memory. Most fell off cliff within a year or two. Okposo is another one. Is there a recent example that supports signing a player to a 5-6 year deal at 28-30? Genuinely can't think of anyone. JVR is TBD. He has been good for Philly so far actually.
I actually think Dubas keeps Hyman to be honest. I can't see him losing a 1st liner for free. And if he can convince him, I suspect it could be on a shorter term, high AAV kind of deal.
LeafGm
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Part of why I feel there might be faint hope that he won’t be looking to max out the potential term & AAV on his next contract is that he does seem to have so much else going on.
Maybe for his business interests, it’d be better for him to remain a well-known hometown Maple Leaf than get more to go be an anonymous hockey player on some other team.
His family’s loaded as well, so he’s not going to be hurting for money regardless of what he makes in NHL salary the rest of his career.
JackBurton
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Get him some commercials.
zeke
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Was nielsen fast? I didn't think so but maybe.
As for other guys that's a good question....first guy that jumps to mind is Oshie maybe?
leaffan2005
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Offer him $4.5 x3 years and call it a day. I think he would accept that. The guy obviously loves being a Leaf and that wouldn't handicap us in the slightest. After our studs, he is probably the most important player on the team.