MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
Manson might be good, De Haan kind of isn't, Chiarot isn't and neither is Risto.
Gio plays the left, and Edler is old and done.
The Fucking Season Thread - Redemption Tour '22
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Manson might be good, De Haan kind of isn't, Chiarot isn't and neither is Risto.
Gio plays the left, and Edler is old and done.
trujaysfan
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If we were looking for a partner for Sandin De Hann can eat min on a 3rd pair and be decent.
None of the above are guys I would want to move a 1st/amirov/robertson/niemala/kneis
MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
Is De Haan better than Lilly? Like actually better?
trujaysfan
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That's why I said "if". We are not looking for a 3rd pair guy because we already have lilly/holl/dermott.
What would a josh manson cost?
MindzEye
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Good question. They're 2nd in a shit division so they would probably have to be convinced to sell.
Wouldn't be a cheap deadline special.
Preston
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Special teams is a huge strength of the leafs this year which is nice. They never really had a chance with that tire fire pp last year even if they got by Montreal. Hope it continues because they've actually had an advantage over Tampa in both their pp and pk. Leafs have a special teams and offense advantage on them. Tampa has a d advantage and probably goaltending too, unless jack returns to superman levels.
Tldr: fucking coin flip that will require... You guessed it! Presto luck. Unless the big boys suck dick again. In that case, RIP.
Tldr: fucking coin flip that will require... You guessed it! Presto luck. Unless the big boys suck dick again. In that case, RIP.
Kritter
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Probably goaltending too?
Preston
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Always "probably" for goaltending. We've seen Vas look like a tire fire in some series and prime Hasek in others. Confidence intervals are a lot wider there than the other parts of the game. But yes, odds say he'll most likely be better than Jack Campbell in a series.
MindzEye
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Their performances are near identical over the last 2 years (Jack has been slightly better). The only real difference between them is that Vasilevsky has been there and done that in the playoffs. There's going to be less nerves in pressure situations most likely. Which is potentially a significant advantage.
But yeah, I think "probably" goaltending is a pretty fair way to put it. Jack has been fucking elite the last 2 seasons (T-2nd in SV%, GSAA) and damn near elite over the last 3 (6th in SV%, 7th in GSAA). The last time we received goaltending this good was Eddie. We need to put some respect on Jack's name in any head to head goalie matchup. He's a coin flip against anyone.
MindzEye
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Agreed, the margins are always pretty slim over such a short number of games. We got goaled against Columbus despite having a significant edge on paper.
zeke
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Note that we're still digging out of that first 7gm hole, which was largely due to some really shitty puckluck:
First 7gms:
FLA: 6gms, 1.000pts% (#1), 57.7xgf% (#3), 12.40sh% (#6), 93.46sv% (#3)
TBL: 7gms, .500pts% (#19), 47.3xgf% (#22), 9.33sh% (#17), 87.70sv% (#30)
BOS: 4gms, .750pts% (#7), 57.4xgf% (#4), 9.82sh% (#13), 90.20sv% (#18)
TOR: 7gms, .357pts% (#23), 51.9xgf% (#12), 5.52sh% (#32), 89.4sv% (#22)
Since:
TOR: 31gms, .774pts% (#2), 57.7xgf% (#1), 10.77sh% (#5), 92.01sv% (#1)
TBL: 36gms, .750pts% (#3), 54.5xgf% (#6), 11.85sh% (#2), 91.07sv% (#11)
FLA: 35gms, .700pts% (#4), 55.0xgf% (#5), 10.55sh% (#8), 90.88sv% (#14)
BOS: 34gms, .646pts% (#11), 54.5xgf% (#7), 8.51sh% (#26), 90.65sv% (#17)
Not that we should ever throw out cold streaks but at least it's clearer than ever that that ice cols shooting was a fluke since we've been elite again in sh% since.
Also note that the Leafs 114pt pace with elite underlying numbers is utterly sustainable, and even realistically could improve.
While TB and FLA are winning at levels that are both extremely rare to hold up over a full season and aren't supported by their underlying numbers.
In any full regular season the Leafs' .697pts% would be usually a clear-cut 2nd overall finish.
First 7gms:
FLA: 6gms, 1.000pts% (#1), 57.7xgf% (#3), 12.40sh% (#6), 93.46sv% (#3)
TBL: 7gms, .500pts% (#19), 47.3xgf% (#22), 9.33sh% (#17), 87.70sv% (#30)
BOS: 4gms, .750pts% (#7), 57.4xgf% (#4), 9.82sh% (#13), 90.20sv% (#18)
TOR: 7gms, .357pts% (#23), 51.9xgf% (#12), 5.52sh% (#32), 89.4sv% (#22)
Since:
TOR: 31gms, .774pts% (#2), 57.7xgf% (#1), 10.77sh% (#5), 92.01sv% (#1)
TBL: 36gms, .750pts% (#3), 54.5xgf% (#6), 11.85sh% (#2), 91.07sv% (#11)
FLA: 35gms, .700pts% (#4), 55.0xgf% (#5), 10.55sh% (#8), 90.88sv% (#14)
BOS: 34gms, .646pts% (#11), 54.5xgf% (#7), 8.51sh% (#26), 90.65sv% (#17)
Not that we should ever throw out cold streaks but at least it's clearer than ever that that ice cols shooting was a fluke since we've been elite again in sh% since.
Also note that the Leafs 114pt pace with elite underlying numbers is utterly sustainable, and even realistically could improve.
While TB and FLA are winning at levels that are both extremely rare to hold up over a full season and aren't supported by their underlying numbers.
In any full regular season the Leafs' .697pts% would be usually a clear-cut 2nd overall finish.
LeafOfFaith
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No Matthews in a few of those, and when he came back he wasn’t usual Matty elite. So I would actually say it’s fair to discount the early games.
BG
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MyNameIsJonas
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Is that even the point though? Currently if enough guys hurt you're looking at Carl Dragonstrom and Alex Bagels.
Is insurance really a bad idea?
N2M, De Haan for whatever it's worth does have experience, Lilly is still a kid, be nice to have that option.
It's not like you're running the risk of Babcock falling in love with a gud pro stance anymore.