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The Mother-fucking goddamn Off-season Thread

I don't think Futa would be bad really without really digging in.

He did stress the draw of the Leafs job as sort of the ultimate accomplishment yesterday on the radio.

Sure. he's not actually been a GM but... he's accomplished like everything in the game. Doubt he'd actually be giving radio interviews on the subject if the was in the mix though.
 
Burke is right. Dubas is Shanny's most important employee. Its a 5 year commitment. If it hasn't even started yet and he's not 100% all in its a problem. Can't put pandora back in the box.

What do you think Dubas will do next offseason if his family has another tough year?
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
Nill has done an excellent job of drafting without super high picks, save for Miro, which he nailed, and getting alot out of young dudes on his roster.
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Honestly drafting is one of the things I care least about with GMs because a lot of it is based on luck and scouting staff. It is nice that he appears to have the right philosophy of going after skill and taking bigger swings in the later rounds, but at the end of the day, his staff identifies the players and the GM just has to trust them.

It is important and a prerequisite for the job, but I also want to see strong cap management, ability to extend a window, a solid history of trades/signings, minimal errors, and a GM that can get aggressive when he needs to be and make a big trade or signing at the right time to put a team over the top; Leafs are at THAT stage where they could use a GM that can make a gamechanging trade/signing that puts them over the top. Kyle has sorta failed with that bit as it felt like they plateaued as a top 5-7 team.
 
The reporting after Dubas was let go about trades that were nixed, cumbersome approval processes, etc… it kind of just comes across as damage control by a guy (or his people) suddenly on the job market that doesn’t have a great record of success.

-we would have made it further in the playoffs if I had been able to make the trades I wanted
-too much interference from above prevented me from doing my job better
-I didn’t like working with this upper management anyway

Aside from the unreliability of the sources, it’s all too self-serving for me to put any stock into it.
 
Preston said:
Honestly drafting is one of the things I care least about with GMs because a lot of it is based on luck and scouting staff. It is nice that he appears to have the right philosophy of going after skill and taking bigger swings in the later rounds, but at the end of the day, his staff identifies the players and the GM just has to trust them.

It is important and a prerequisite for the job, but I also want to see strong cap management, ability to extend a window, a solid history of trades/signings, minimal errors, and a GM that can get aggressive when he needs to be and make a big trade or signing at the right time to put a team over the top; Leafs are at THAT stage where they could use a GM that can make a gamechanging trade/signing that puts them over the top. Kyle has sorta failed with that bit as it felt like they plateaued as a top 5-7 team.
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Not sure any of the other names floated out there are that guy in the 2nd paragraph either really though. Someone in mind?
 
Preston said:
Honestly drafting is one of the things I care least about with GMs because a lot of it is based on luck and scouting staff. It is nice that he appears to have the right philosophy of going after skill and taking bigger swings in the later rounds, but at the end of the day, his staff identifies the players and the GM just has to trust them.

It is important and a prerequisite for the job, but I also want to see strong cap management, ability to extend a window, a solid history of trades/signings, minimal errors, and a GM that can get aggressive when he needs to be and make a big trade or signing at the right time to put a team over the top; Leafs are at THAT stage where they could use a GM that can make a gamechanging trade/signing that puts them over the top. Kyle has sorta failed with that bit as it felt like they plateaued as a top 5-7 team.
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Yeah, I doubt Dubie could tell you much about any draft pick at the time of selection. Plus, as we’ve seen in behind the scenes videos, there’s always this special explicit deference given to the scouts, like who do you feel strongly about, okay then let’s take him. I can’t even imagine a GM taking a hard stand on a draft pick unless it’s a high first rounder and there’s substantial controversy internally over which players are better than others.
 
hockeylover said:
Not sure any of the other names floated out there are that guy in the 2nd paragraph either really though. Someone in mind?
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It's a fair question. I don't think I'm going to feel comfortable with anyone they hire, even if it's Tulsky or a newbie type without a track record. It's one of those jobs where the interview process could say a lot about someone. How collaborative are they? How open to analytics are they? What's their vision on how to get this team over the hump? Patience? Or doing something like Boston did this year (minus the cap cheating) and upgrading like crazy at the deadline? Are they afraid of adding an older elite guy with an iffy contract (like Ekholm last year) because it may harm the length of their window or do they feel it's worth the risk to take the big swing?

If I'm Shanny these are the types of questions I'd be asking. Of course Shanny may have different ideologies.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
Yeah, I doubt Dubie could tell you much about any draft pick at the time of selection. Plus, as we’ve seen in behind the scenes videos, there’s always this special explicit deference given to the scouts, like who do you feel strongly about, okay then let’s take him. I can’t even imagine a GM taking a hard stand on a draft pick unless it’s a high first rounder and there’s substantial controversy internally over which players are better than others.
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It's more about setting the tone of the organization and dictating to your scouts what to look for. I value that in a GM. But even that is no surefire solution to draft well. The best methods are having good scouts and good ol' fashioned Prestoluck.
 
Preston said:
It's more about setting the tone of the organization and dictating to your scouts what to look for. I value that in a GM. But even that is no surefire solution to draft well.
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Drafting is one thing where track record is everything. If you could pick gems before, I trust you can pick them again. If not, then…not.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
Drafting is one thing where track record is everything. If you could pick gems before, I trust you can pick them again. If not, then…not.
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the data kind of shows otherwise....the same scouts/GMs can hit on a series of gems and then go ice cold for 3-4 years
 
CH1 said:
the data kind of shows otherwise....the same scouts/GMs can hit on a series of gems and then go ice cold for 3-4 years
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But it’s probably never “the same” during that period. Scouts come and go. Plus we’ve seen where they sort of turn over picks to some people here and there, like you get to make one here buddy. You probably can never really accurately assess an individual on a team unless you’re on the team and know the contribution of each person. Like yeah, that dude comes up with at least a couple of NHLers on his list every year, even if the group doesn’t pick them. Sort of like how Hedberg was so good at finding Swedish talent for us all those years. His niche area of work was obviously elite.
 
leafman101 said:
I don’t get how Severson isn’t on that list. Could be another undervalued Brodie type signing.
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Overall a pretty bad list anyway. Used to be that every UFA crop had like 5-10 guys who were major difference makers. Now you get like 1-2 maybe, since most guys just resign before free agency.
 
zeke said:
Its not weird. Its expected that they would repeat each other's speculation when they have no info. Thats what they do.

And every single one of the reporters that has mentioned those names has bent over backwards to avoid actually stating that they know those names are in play - every single reference contains a "might" or "maybe" of some sort.

So this actually goes back on you, not us - why would every single one of them avoid stating that the KNOW any of those names are definitely in play? There's only one answer to that.
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…except Mirtle has reported hearing Treliving’s name tied to us during the season.


….and like I say, if they’re just guessing Treliving, how damn lucky were they, that he was the first person we interview.
 
zeke said:
This is the problem with rumours - one unsourced rumour can bounce around getting repeated by a bunch of people back to each other and then suddenly its all "how can you pretend there's no fire with all that smoke???".
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absolutely….especially difficult when people dismiss the good reporting we do get, cause it’s not what they wanted to hear.
 
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