The Mother-fucking goddamn Off-season Thread

[Montana]

and now murray too.

bet you Calgary would happily trade you Markstrom for him.

 

[zeke]

bet you Calgary would happily trade you Markstrom for him.

maybe we should.

 

[mbow30]

Also don’t agree on the Coleman signing being bad. Maybe in the last 2 years. But that was clearly a data driven signing. Hes a guy who was putting up 60%xgf and 20 goals with hard defensive usage in New Jersey. He’s really good.

 

[Montana]

maybe we should.

don’t go mealy mouthed on us now….tell us you want Treliving to double down on him.

 

[Montana]

Maybe in the last 2 years.

..as in, only since Treliving signed him?

 

[zeke]

don’t go mealy mouthed on us now….tell us you want Treliving to double down on him.

I'd wager more teams would be interested in trading for Markstrom right now than Murray, I'll say that.

 

[Montana]

I'd wager more teams would be interested in trading for Markstrom right now than Murray, I'll say that.

coward.

 

[mbow30]

..as in, only since Treliving signed him?

No, as in the last two years of the deal.

 

[axlsalinger]

what would 60 games of .892 (@ $6m) done for us this year?

63 games of .922 last year.

then .901 in the playoffs, because goalies.

but .919 in his previous playoff appearance.

 

[axlsalinger]

Also don’t agree on the Coleman signing being bad. Maybe in the last 2 years. But that was clearly a data driven signing. Hes a guy who was putting up 60%xgf and 20 goals with hard defensive usage in New Jersey. He’s really good.

yeah, was gonna say this. $4.9 is definitely too much, but Coleman is a good hockey player.

 

[MindzEye]

If someone was theoretically asking me to choose between Kerfoot at 3.5 or Coleman at 4.9, it's an easy choice.

 

[Montana]

yeah, was gonna say this. $4.9 is definitely too much, but Coleman is a good hockey player.

agreed he’s a good player…..would you take that remaining contract onto the Leafs today for free?

$4.9m for 33-38pts a year feels tough….ages 32 through 35, no less.

 

[LeafOfFaith]

Also don’t agree on the Coleman signing being bad. Maybe in the last 2 years. But that was clearly a data driven signing. Hes a guy who was putting up 60%xgf and 20 goals with hard defensive usage in New Jersey. He’s really good.

Also, speed to burn. Plus skill. The two qualities we should be looking for in almost any add. Overpaid, but I'd rather have had him at his hit versus Kerf at his hit.

All these overpayments can't just be because the guy doesn't know value. Most teams have to overpay to land even the secondary talent on the market. The premium makes up for the location, and also saves any assets going out the door in the form of picks and prospects when adding a guy, so that's part of the calculus too.

 

[Montana]

If someone was theoretically asking me to choose between Kerfoot at 3.5 or Coleman at 4.9, it's an easy choice.

for four more years? Ages 32-35?

id rather be where we are today…with neither.

 

[mbow30]

No, but that’s in account of the leafs cap structure, not because Coleman is bad value.

 

[MindzEye]

for four more years? Ages 32-35?

id rather be where we are today…with neither.

The odds of your boy feeling different about Kerfoot is definitely non zero.

 

[LeafOfFaith]

agreed he’s a good player…..would you take that remaining contract onto the Leafs today for free?

$4.9m for 33-38pts a year feels tough.

In fairness, when he was signed, he came off much better performances with NJ and TB where it looked like he found another gear.

Looks like maybe those were outlier years though and the guy knew when to ratchet things up a notch.

 

[mbow30]

I mean Coleman at 4.9 means that you don’t have kerf and krok and need to replace the latter with a league min.

still a win for the leafs.

 

[Montana]

63 games of .922 last year.

we gave him this….that’s why its Leafs 2, Flames 1 over the last three.

then .901 in the playoffs, because goalies.

but .919 in his previous playoff appearance.

these small playoff samples are just too small to mean much of anything…Jack was .934 one year.

 

[Montana]

The odds of your boy feeling different about Kerfoot is definitely non zero.

You’re avoiding the question, would you want Coleman 32-35 for $4.9m on this current Leaf’s team….if they handed him to us for free?