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The Mother-fucking goddamn Off-season Thread

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zeke said:
I guess we can discuss the idea even if we should know by now that Editor in Leaf is not a serious source.

But for the sake of discussion, we can look at Dubas' offseasons, starting with last year:

Murray $4.7 x2
Jarnkrok $2.1 x2
Samsonov $1.8 x1
NAK $1.0 x1
Giordano $0.8 x2

Or the year before:

Mrazek $3.8 x3
Ritchie $2.5 x2
Kase $1.3 x1
Bunting $1.0 x2
Simmonds $0.9 x2
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The ironic part is Tre did a much better job of setting up the Leafs with flexibility than Dubas ever did. Tre maintained the flexibility for next year. Thats the most underrated part of the offseason. He picked up the best players he could for 1 year deals. Thats not squandering anything.
 
zeke said:
I guess we can discuss the idea even if we should know by now that Editor in Leaf is not a serious source.

But for the sake of discussion, we can look at Dubas' offseasons, starting with last year:

Murray $4.7 x2
Jarnkrok $2.1 x2
Samsonov $1.8 x1
NAK $1.0 x1
Giordano $0.8 x2

Or the year before:

Mrazek $3.8 x3
Ritchie $2.5 x2
Kase $1.3 x1
Bunting $1.0 x2
Simmonds $0.9 x2
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man he's at like a 40% success rate there.
 
Cap Hell, Cap Hell, Cap Hell.......Brad signs one of the best FAs on the market and a couple other good ones, more than literally anyone expected (even me!).
 
Everyone knows an Editor in Leaf IRL. Good to be able to see ahead of time what kinda shit you're gonna get at the water cooler to to speak.
 
i mean it's an Editor in Leaf "article" that's what he does. the article itself isn't worth discussing.

but if we want to talk about the issue without discussing what he wrote, there's stuff to talk about.

like the fact that no team is expected to be able to re-sign or re-place all their deadline adds, because those deadline adds are when you go over the cap by picking up partial cap hits.

but in our case, what's kind of amazing is that despite us having the most deadline adds in the league, we may have actually replaced all the guys we lost.

on paper I give the likely slight edge to the outgoing group at this point, but with the new group having a very realistic chance of being the better group this year:

O'Reilly --> Bertuzzi
Bunting --> Knies
Kerfoot --> Domi
Acciari --> Holmberg/Robertson
ZAR -----> Reaves

Holl ----> Klingberg
Schenn -> Timmins

The slight edge goes to he outgoing group, but that's with the outgoing group getting to play with our core four and the incoming guys never really getting that kind of opportunity, and of course with a bunch of the incoming guys having both the upside and the risk of being young guys yet to establish themselves.

But again, no team expects to be able to replace all the trade deadline adds in the offseason, and this team will once again be able to make trade deadline adds for partial cap hits when the time comes again.

in comparison to the start of last year, the new group looks like a nice upgrade over what we had, unless you really want to include Muzzin in the previous group despite him playing only 4gms on the season.
 
What's painful about the NHL is we can discuss what we think of our lineup and luck will ultimately be determining factor.
 
zeke said:
i mean it's an Editor in Leaf "article" that's what he does. the article itself isn't worth discussing.

but if we want to talk about the issue without discussing what he wrote, there's stuff to talk about.

like the fact that no team is expected to be able to re-sign or re-place all their deadline adds, because those deadline adds are when you go over the cap by picking up partial cap hits.

but in our case, what's kind of amazing is that despite us having the most deadline adds in the league, we may have actually replaced all the guys we lost.

on paper I give the likely slight edge to the outgoing group at this point, but with the new group having a very realistic chance of being the better group this year:

O'Reilly --> Bertuzzi
Bunting --> Knies
Kerfoot --> Domi
Acciari --> Holmberg/Robertson
ZAR -----> Reaves

Holl ----> Klingberg
Schenn -> Timmins

The slight edge goes to he outgoing group, but that's with the outgoing group getting to play with our core four and the incoming guys never really getting that kind of opportunity, and of course with a bunch of the incoming guys having both the upside and the risk of being young guys yet to establish themselves.

But again, no team expects to be able to replace all the trade deadline adds in the offseason, and this team will once again be able to make trade deadline adds for partial cap hits when the time comes again.

in comparison to the start of last year, the new group looks like a nice upgrade over what we had, unless you really want to include Muzzin in the previous group despite him playing only 4gms on the season.
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I’ll take incoming over the outgoing, which were mostly duds except for Bunting (who ended up being useless in the playoffs), and Schenn (who surprisingly ended up being useful but unlikely to replicate).
 
Klingberg is a pretty excellent bounce back candidate. His only bad nerdies year was last year playing for an absolute shitshow of a team and then not turning a bad season around on a dime after the trade. If he bounces back to his Dallas form of even just 2-3 years ago he's basically an upper middle class right handed Morgan Rielly, for 4.1 million x 1.

If he repeats last year, swing and a miss by Tre, but I appreciate him taking risks on real talent and not on Foligno's bouncing back.
 
Matthews and Nylander still unsigned. Questionable draft. Reeves signing. Klingberg is a big gamble. Domi a little less of one but still a gamble. The bertuzi move looks great though. Overall not sure I understand the tree love
 
Tre's biggest mistake so far IMO is giving Keefe another go... he's been clearly outcoached every playoff round. Maybe it's go with the devil you know until more enticing candidates become available either during the season or next summer.
 
IMO it is ideal to gamble on skill on short term deals in free agency rather than committing long term to, really any one other than an elite player.

I'd take Domi/Klingberg over Murray, Mrazek, Ritchie, Jarnkrok any day. And obviously thats ignoring getting the #1 FA forward on a bargain deal.
 
I like the vision a hell of a lot more than Kyle's vision on what they feel they need to do to get over the hump. TBD on the execution but I think folks are just happy they're valuing skill in their support players instead of low event garbage or straight up bona fide playoff failure bitches like Kerfkrok. Entirely possible that Tre whiffed on the type of skill added of course, but most of us have been screaming for a skill injection in their depth for a couple of years now. And while Kyle had opportunities to address the skill gap many times, he chose not to.

I went into last season feeling pretty dejected because it was more of the same and showed a lack of creativity or ability to think outside of the box and Kyle wasn't supposed to be that. This year it's sorta exciting because Tre is doing something Kyle has never even attempted; spam the roster with skill up front and on the back end. Maybe it doesn't work either but any time you spam a roster with skill it typically has good results.
 
And obviously the other thing Tre could have done was trade Marner/Nylander.

It was looking like potentially a much less skilled team with Dubas, and instead we are more skilled.
 
Just look back to what the board was expecting heading into UFA. Nobody thought they'd be able to get a guy like Bertuzzi for a reasonable price, let alone Domi too. Everyone here was speculating that a bunch of Holl/Schenn/Kerf/Acciari would be back with hopefully some Geekie/Sprong tyles added in.
 
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