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The Mother-fucking goddamn Off-season Thread

Montana said:
I want to live in a world where it’s perfectly fine to show the emotion Dubas did, and has zero impact on whether you keep your job or not.

maybe I’m wrong, but I didn’t take it at all as showing a lack of interest in being GM, but as showing respect for his wife and family over just how much of himself he gives to the job of being our GM, at their expense.
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i mean he went on at length about how he wasn't sure he was up to being GM.
 
I have sort of a high level kind of client who has a lot of different people working for him in his life.

I know that if he saw something like Dubie's presser, he'd have canned him on the spot. He'd see it as mental weakness, telegraphing that he's no longer fit for the job, and would be turned off all the way by an ask for more pay in that context.

This whole situation unfolding through Shanny's recounting of events keeps making me think of that guy. Because he'd be all emotionally supportive and empathetic - like he'd want to call Dubie and check on him after, suggest ways to get himself in a better mindframe, and so on. But he'd have mentally detached himself from the idea that Dubie could do his job anymore.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
I have sort of a high level kind of client who has a lot of different people working for him in his life.

I know that if he saw something like Dubie's presser, he'd have canned him on the spot. He'd see it as mental weakness, telegraphing that he's no longer fit for the job, and would be turned off all the way by an ask for more pay in that context.

This whole situation unfolding through Shanny's recounting of events keeps making me think of that guy. Because he'd be all emotionally supportive and empathetic - like he'd want to call Dubie and check on him after, suggest ways to get himself in a better mindframe, and so on. But he'd have mentally detached himself from the idea that Dubie could do his job anymore.
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especially when you realize that being a GM is mostly just a leadership position now, where you rely extensively on your massive supporting staff for all decisions.
 
worm said:
Do it more.

So much better than "I'm giving a 110 percent!"
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Agree but if you're about to hire someone and the candidate says they don't know if they want the job as an employer wouldn't you... be skeptical about hiring them when you know others would want the job? And then if that same person came back asking for more pay in the last minute don't you think it's the employers right to maybe prefer someone who actually wants the job?

That's not even acknowledging the point that being mentally strong is a bona fide occupational requirement for the GM of a professional sports team in the biggest market in the league.

Kyle is free to lash out and do as he chooses but he shouldn't expect to keep his job in this case. Whether Shanny should have let that all out.. Well that's a different story. I loved it but I'm a scumbag who loves drama.
 
Frank Seravalli's Penguins list:

I’m going to throw a list of some of the names that have been in the mix. Some of these candidates are for GM, others are for president of hockey operations, so they are speaking to quite a long list of people. Those include: Marc Bergevin, former GM of the Montreal Canadiens, Jason Botterill, current assistant GM for the Seattle Kraken, John Chayka who is also in the Flyers’ search, Mathieu Darche from the Tampa Bay Lightning, and one other name in the mix is Ryan Martin, assistant GM for the New York Rangers.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
The Holl one is iffy to me. He's been a good soldier and reliable regular season player. He imploded this year though, and it was a major problem against Florida.

Kerf, what can you do - started off promising imo, but he gradually fell off a fucking cliff. If there were options to replace him and he could've rid himself of the full salary, it was dumb to not cut bait already.

Jarny I still like. Wasn't much of a factor in the playoffs, but his hustle was there, and against Florida, no one other than Rielly was a factor, so I'm not upset. I still think that's a very good use of $2M to play the guy on the third line and have him move up in case of injuries where he didn't look out of place (definitely not in the regular season at least).

Murray was junk. It was a bad trade on the retention front, letting the Sens off the hook way too easy. The first of some questionable moves and non-moves last year that foretold where things were heading.
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- The problem with Holl isn't that he was bad, it's that he doesn't do any of the stuff that his role needs you to do in the playoffs. Of all of the soft pussies on the team, he was maybe the biggest and worst given his role. How quickly did Luke fucking Schenn make him look entirely replaceable for minimum wage?

- Kerfoot didn't really start out fine though, it was clear 2-3 months in that he was a bad fit at 3C and as soon as he wasn't the 3C, he was a bad cap spend in our payroll structure. Only so many dollars to go around and if you're going to "we can and we will" your way to spending 45-50 million on 5 players, your 3.5 million dollar 3rd liner had better be a fucking centre. Again, not a bad player, just not the player we needed. We needed to find a sneaky good matchup centre that could chip in offence, do mean things to people and hold opposition best players to evens at 5v5. Also, and crucially, a massive bitch that habitually disappears in the playoffs.

- Jarny is fine, as long as you're prioritizing the regular season and understand that you're not going to get dick from him in the playoffs. The idea of signing a guy to your top 9 who was coming into this situation with 4 goals in 75 career playoff games will never be not wild in my eyes. The exact opposite type of depth player we needed at the time.

- Murray was a only ever a functioning idea at 50% reduction and then preferably going through a 2nd team to get another 50% and just pay the cost. If you weren't willing to pay the cost of that upfront to get the deal done, it was a bad hail mary on a guy who was maybe worth a hail mary and looked like it a few things during the regular season.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
Could very well apply to experienced assistant GMs too...
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This is definitely my hope. Was hoping he'd have more juice in his comments though, like before he hired Kyle calling him "forward thinking" and valuing analytics, etc. If there was one word I wanted to hear from him describing the new GM it wasn't "experienced." Could be nothing tho.
 
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