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The Mother-fucking goddamn Off-season Thread

Preston said:
Agree but if you're about to hire someone and the candidate says they don't know if they want the job as an employer wouldn't you... be skeptical about hiring them when you know others would want the job? And then if that same person came back asking for more pay in the last minute don't you think it's the employers right to maybe prefer someone who actually wants the job?

That's not even acknowledging the point that being mentally strong is a bona fide occupational requirement for the GM of a professional sports team in the biggest market in the league.

Kyle is free to lash out and do as he chooses but he shouldn't expect to keep his job in this case. Whether Shanny should have let that all out.. Well that's a different story. I loved it but I'm a scumbag who loves drama.
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But shanny did not seem to fire him for that. He was still committed until a new offer was tabled. Then shanny seemed to make an emotional decision.

I'm obviously an outsider so the bigger the shit show the better :)
 
worm said:
But shanny did not seem to fire him for that. He was still committed until a new offer was tabled. Then shanny seemed to make an emotional decision.

I'm obviously an outsider so the bigger the shit show the better :)
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Not sure. Would have to hear Kyle's side of it. But it sounded like to me he questioned things when Kyle went on National TV and told the world that he may not want to be GM anymore. As anyone would. When a candidate says you may not want a job, any employer would react a certain way.
 
Montana said:
….firing Dubas is already pushing me to my limit. A dogshit GM hire is going to be awfully fucking hard to swallow.
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I loved Dubas too, as much as anyone here. I always said he was doing 99% of what I'd do, with slight variations here and there, but...he definitely lost his way this year.

Still some good moves, like Samsonov which I was and am still a fan of, and bringing in ROR and McCabe (retained with term) without giving up much more than a few picks, refusing to trade Knies, Jarny a very good value pick up, Timmins a nice find.

But there were some non-moves which defy explanation, like making all those trades at the end, but not adding any scoring to the wings where we were desperate for goals? ROR was fine as a 3C pickup, but no other offense whatsoever at the deadline? Worse, giving away 15+ Engvall goals and ditching a very promising puck-moving Sandin on the backend who was signed for just $1.4M through next year? He literally subtracted more than added at the deadline, especially since all that extra D pushed Lilly to the sidelines yet again. So, on that spectrum of mimicking moves I'd make, these were just so far beyond what I'd do, that even I started questioning what the fuck was going on with him.

I'm sure Shanny did too. It was too dramatic a departure for the guy after all these years of moves we've seen. And like me, Shanny was still going to bring him back because you can't hang him off his work around one deadline, especially when we finally got past the first round. But then Dubie holds a presser saying he's mentally toast and may need a sabbatical, and then pumps you for more money last second? I'd have fired him too, sad but true.

Dubie must be just dead today.
 
worm said:
But shanny did not seem to fire him for that. He was still committed until a new offer was tabled. Then shanny seemed to make an emotional decision.

I'm obviously an outsider so the bigger the shit show the better :)
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Pretty sure he said he started thinking about going in a new direction right after the presser.
 
Preston said:
Agree but if you're about to hire someone and the candidate says they don't know if they want the job as an employer wouldn't you... be skeptical about hiring them when you know others would want the job? And then if that same person came back asking for more pay in the last minute don't you think it's the employers right to maybe prefer someone who actually wants the job?

That's not even acknowledging the point that being mentally strong is a bona fide occupational requirement for the GM of a professional sports team in the biggest market in the league.

Kyle is free to lash out and do as he chooses but he shouldn't expect to keep his job in this case. Whether Shanny should have let that all out.. Well that's a different story. I loved it but I'm a scumbag who loves drama.
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By the way, let's add that this is THE MOST coveted job in the entire fucking NHL.

Here's a guy saying he doesn't know if he wants it. We're not talking about GM of the Coyotes, or assistant GM of a team where the GM is probably entrenched for another 5+ years.

He's holding the crown jewel and is thinking about flinging it into the river.
 
worm said:
Got mad he made it public lolololol
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Well, if you were having second thoughts about your marriage, maybe don't express that on twitter if you don't want to affect how your spouse views you
 
In the end I think the right decision was made. That dubas presser shook me, and i was already fine with him not coming back before that.

I'm somewhat concerned with shanny's behavior here (that he was so comfortable extending Dubas after the deadline, that his opinion could change so drastically, and that he went public with everything here - all are maybe a big concerning0, but in terms of what that means for the team going forward.....I come out of this presser more reassured that Shanny appreciates the type of management that Dubas brought to the table, and will probably try to get someone more like that than go for some big philosophical change. I don't think this presser should make us worry that Shanny will start making emotional decisions going forward or even start interfering any more than he ever has.
 
Preston said:
Agree but if you're about to hire someone and the candidate says they don't know if they want the job as an employer wouldn't you... be skeptical about hiring them when you know others would want the job? And then if that same person came back asking for more pay in the last minute don't you think it's the employers right to maybe prefer someone who actually wants the job?

That's not even acknowledging the point that being mentally strong is a bona fide occupational requirement for the GM of a professional sports team in the biggest market in the league.

Kyle is free to lash out and do as he chooses but he shouldn't expect to keep his job in this case. Whether Shanny should have let that all out.. Well that's a different story. I loved it but I'm a scumbag who loves drama.
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This is where I'm at really. The message sent was not one that his heart was really in it or that he was confident in doing it.
 
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