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TML? More like FML, amirite? Yet Another Off Season Thread

That Mrazek contract is a disaster for glasses.

It set the minimum for Jack's ask at $4m. Which is too much for a mediocre goalie... espeically when your other option is a bad goalie.

Hopefully they can find a way out of that Mrazek deal without absorbing salary... Otherwise the goaltending could be real ugly next year.
 
MindzEye said:
I get around it just fine, you switch goalposts and keep on moving though, so what's the point?

You arbitrarily decide which games count according to how the players you like played in them
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How so? I spent the time before (5 minutes is all I can muster generally for research on here) to create the list of performances in Game 6 and 7 of the past two or three years. And offensively we are pretty much a bust each time, and the worst in Game 7s.

I don't care about games 1-5. We are either behind at that point, or like the last two years ahead 3-2. I care about evaluating the performances in the closeout games. That's our problem, nothing else.

So when you post Jack's .897, rank it among starters in these playoffs, forget about the fact that Super Vas posted the exact same number...it bears mentioning that if you just zero in, only one goal separated our winning both of the final games. That's not a goalie problem, not when your goalie posts a .920 in the final game.

Yes, it would've been nice if Jack posted a .968 like Vasy did (again, just one goal), because then we for sure would've won, right??

But no, because Jack posted a .969 last year in Game 7 against Montreal, but the great Jake Allen stonewalled $40M worth of forwards and almost shut them out as the cherry on top.

Come on, guys. Come the fuck on already.
 
mbow30 said:
That Mrazek contract is a disaster for glasses.

It set the minimum for Jack's ask at $4m. Which is too much for a mediocre goalie... espeically when your other option is a bad goalie.

Hopefully they can find a way out of that Mrazek deal without absorbing salary... Otherwise the goaltending could be real ugly next year.
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He gone. If they can't trade him they'll buy him out. The penalty sucks but it's not as bad as you'd think.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
I don't care about games 1-5.
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Good (one of the dumbest things I've heard recently, but whatever)

Games 6-7

Jack : .900sv
Vasy: .938sv

Very similar workloads (shots & expected goals) to generate those numbers as well.

I trust that this settles the matter as you only care about games 6 & 7, right?
 
4 years on the cap.

that's a disaster.

this is the first year since like 2007 where they were clear of all retention and buy outs.
 
Meh it's like 1m each year. A disaster would be keeping Mrazek at his AAV for another two years. That's way worse than 1m of dead cap space.
 
MindzEye said:
Good (one of the dumbest things I've heard recently, but whatever)

Games 6-7

Jack : .900sv
Vasy: .938sv

Very similar workloads (shots & expected goals) to generate those numbers as well.

I trust that this settles the matter as you only care about games 6 & 7, right?
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There's nothing dumb about disregarding the first 5 games when we ended them ahead 3-2 in both series and focusing on the last two games that we lost in each.

Yeah, we settled it already, that one goal in each game is what causes a huge disparity in SV%, which becomes meaningless in that context. You want to combine those games to avoid having to accept that you got .920 goaltending in game 7. Just as you conveniently ignore the fact that we got .969 goaltending in last year's game 7. But what are you gonna do when going up against the likes of Vasy and Allen?

Talk about manipulating things to fit your desired narrative, and ignoring facts that just don't fit. No distortion necessary, we keep losing because our offense can't score in Game 7.

TOTAL GOALS FOR IN GAME 7 OF 2019, 2020, 2021, AND 2022? THREE GOALS. TOTAL. IN FOUR GAME 7s.
 
Preston said:
2 years of Mrazek at 3.8 is worse.
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Or you throw him on the Marlies and he costs you 2.87 for 2 years.

There are no good options. The worst option is likely putting him on the roster. You can't do that. That must be avoided at all costs. You need two good goalies and that would make that impossible.
 
Not sure why I excluded 2018! Another 1 goal performance.

FOUR GOALS IN THE LAST FIVE GAME 7s.

Damn our shitty goaltending.
 
I think what you struggle with is very fundamental.

Goaltending, has the fucking advantage. Great goaltending stops great goal scoring, point black period. Every shot type and shot location in NHL hockey is the goalies advantage. This is why the difference between legendary and league average is 2 fucking percent, legend and scrub is 4%. There is nowhere else in the game where the margin between greatness and riding the bus in the AHL is so slim, or so important. If Gretzky scored 4% fewer goals he would still lead #2 by 50+ goals all time. If Dominik Hasek gave up 4% more goals, he would be Allan Bester.

When a goalie goes lights out on you, all you can do is try to generate more shots, more chances and pray.
 
For someone who wants to improve the goaltending so badly, how do you accomplish that with Mrazek at 3.8 as the backup? If you can't trade him why wouldn't you buy him out?
 
I don’t think anybody disagrees that a buyout needs to be on the table if you can’t find a taker or would need to absorb a cap hit. But it’s a shitty fuckin fallback.
 
MindzEye said:
I think what you struggle with is very fundamental.

Goaltending, has the fucking advantage. Great goaltending stops great goal scoring, point black period. Every shot type and shot location in NHL hockey is the goalies advantage. This is why the difference between legendary and league average is 2 fucking percent, legend and scrub is 4%. There is nowhere else in the game where the margin between greatness and riding the bus in the AHL is so slim, or so important. If Gretzky scored 4% fewer goals he would still lead #2 by 50+ goals all time. If Dominik Hasek gave up 4% more goals, he would be Allan Bester.

When a goalie goes lights out on you, all you can do is try to generate more shots, more chances and pray.
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I'm not struggling with anything. You're struggling with reality and trying to twist and contort in any which way you can to paint our extra one goal allowed as a travesty between the pipes.
 
I think you can definitely trade Mrazek, it’s just what does it cost.

either way he can’t be back. And Jack is a UFA, so they have to add 2 goalies. The question is do you cheap out on Harry Sateri/Kallgren, or maybe go crazy and spent $4 mill on Holtby and Jones because goalies don’t matter (even though th average cup winner has too 10 goaltending) or do you actually try to build a good tandem and go after guys like Varly, Lehner, Saros, Jack, Husso etc.

IMO its obvious. You need good goaltending to win.
 
mbow30 said:
I don’t think anybody disagrees that a buyout needs to be on the table if you can’t find a taker or would need to absorb a cap hit. But it’s a shitty fuckin fallback.
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Oh of course. It's an expensive mistake. But the bigger mistake would be to not do any damage control and right the wrong
 
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