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TML? More like FML, amirite? Yet Another Off Season Thread

If you go with Jack you obviously have to go with a 2nd Jack as your other goalie. The only time I'd maybe support Kallgren is if you have a Vas as the starter. Paying money to a backup in that case is probably not possible, nor is it wise cap allocation. But there are only 2 or 3 goalies tops like that. So you get 2 goalies who make 3-4 million and play the hot hand throughout the year.

They tried that last year, btw. This isn't an ideological thing that Dubas disagrees with. Like us, him and his team of nerds simply suck ass at evaluating goaltenders. They'll surely try it again this year; it'll be tough because of the lack of options available but that will be their goal of course.
 
Im not the first person to suggest this but i think the play is Holtby and Jack 2.0 that doesnt cost money.

Jack is fine if he's not being paid, and i suspect he will be.
 
Preston said:
If you go with Jack you obviously have to go with a 2nd Jack as your other goalie. The only time I'd maybe support Kallgren is if you have a Vas as the starter. Paying money to a backup in that case is probably not possible, nor is it wise cap allocation. But there are only 2 or 3 goalies tops like that. So you get 2 goalies who make 3-4 million and play the hot hand throughout the year.

They tried that last year, btw. This isn't an ideological thing that Dubas disagrees with. Like us, him and his team of nerds simply suck ass at evaluating goaltenders. They'll surely try it again this year; it'll be tough because of the lack of options available but that will be their goal of course.
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I say you go with some kid or free wallet and then add at the deadline. I don’t believe in this 1a 1b thing with $4m sitting out 60 games, or worse, playing 41.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
I say you go with some kid or free wallet and then add at the deadline. I don’t believe in this 1a 1b thing with $4m sitting out 60 games, or worse, playing 41.
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Can you show with any degree of accuracy the last time a quality goaltender was moved at th deadline.?

Some kid or free wallet aren't answers

90% of the league believes in the 1A 1B thing
 
LeafOfFaith said:
I say you go with some kid or free wallet and then add at the deadline. I don’t believe in this 1a 1b thing with $4m sitting out 60 games, or worse, playing 41.
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There is benefit to not putting all of your eggs to one 4m mediocre goalie basket. You don't want to be stuck with a broken Jack or an injured Jack and have to rely on Kallgren in the fucking playoffs. Having 2 Jacks increases your odds that one will get hot at the right time. Agian, Dubas knows this and agrees with this. Knock him for the Mrazek signing, yes. It was a disaster and a clear miss. But don't act like he didn't try to do exactly what he should have tried to do for this year. His goal was a tandem. He chose the wrong guy for it. This upcoming year he's going to try to trade or buyout Mrazek and grab 2 goalies that gives them what he wanted them to get last year for a combined 6-9m.
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
Can you show with any degree of accuracy the last time a quality goaltender was moved at th deadline.?

Some kid or free wallet aren't answers

90% of the league believes in the 1A 1B thing
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I’m not looking for a starter at the deadline. I’m looking for a cheap insurance policy. I still believe in having a starter and a backup. And I have zero faith that if you lose your starter, your backup is going to win the cup for you, whether he’s a free wallet or some other Mrazek type.
 
Preston said:
There is benefit to not putting all of your eggs to one 4m mediocre goalie basket. Having 2 of them increases your odds that one will get hot at the right time. Agian, Dubas knows this and agrees with this. Knock him for the Mrazek signing, yes. It was a disaster and a clear miss. But don't act like he didn't try to do exactly what he should have tried to do for this year. His goal was a tandem. He chose the wrong guy for it. This upcoming year he's going to try to trade or buyout Mrazek and grab 2 goalies that gives them what he wanted them to get last year for a combined 6-9m.
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Mrazek add was good in practice, just shit execution.

Jack has shown that he needs a friend. Kyle got him a very bad one.

Now Jack is in a postion to get paid like a guy who doesn't need a friend, and he very much does. So, dont.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
I’m not looking for a starter at the deadline. I’m looking for a cheap insurance policy. I still believe in having a starter and a backup. And I have zero faith that if you lose your starter, your backup is going to win the cup for you, whether he’s a free wallet or some other Mrazek type.
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Jack isnt a very good starter.

And you are very very wrong with how you view goaltending

And if Kallgren is an insurance policy in your eyes then so is every living breathing goaltender. He's as bottom of the barrell as it fucking gets.
 
Preston said:
There is benefit to not putting all of your eggs to one 4m mediocre goalie basket. You don't want to be stuck with a broken Jack or an injured Jack and have to rely on Kallgren in the fucking playoffs. Having 2 Jacks increases your odds that one will get hot at the right time. Agian, Dubas knows this and agrees with this. Knock him for the Mrazek signing, yes. It was a disaster and a clear miss. But don't act like he didn't try to do exactly what he should have tried to do for this year. His goal was a tandem. He chose the wrong guy for it. This upcoming year he's going to try to trade or buyout Mrazek and grab 2 goalies that gives them what he wanted them to get last year for a combined 6-9m.
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You’re fucked if your starter is out. And I just don’t think we’ll find two Jacks and pay them both reasonable money. We’re constrained by the cap otherwise I’d feel differently about spending, and we still have to flush Mrazek.
 
Preston said:
Jack is not going to get the 5m he's asking for. Don't let his agent fool you. He's the one who got that number out there.
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I think he's going to come close to it.

Some team ( Edmonton) will think the Toronto D is terrible and Jack did all he could and will be an excellent 1A to Mike Smith
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
Jack isnt a very good starter.

And you are very very wrong with how you view goaltending

And if Kallgren is an insurance policy in your eyes then so is every living breathing goaltender. He's as bottom of the barrell as it fucking gets.
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He’s not an insurance policy.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
You’re fucked if your starter is out. And I just don’t think we’ll find two Jacks and pay them both reasonable money. We’re constrained by the cap otherwise I’d feel differently about spending, and we still have to flush Mrazek.
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Mrazek should be easily flushed if you attach a pick/prospect to him.

There are numerous tank stations out there.

Kerfoot should be an easy dump as well, and i think Muzzin can move without salary back ( and a decent return)

The Leafs cap issue isnt that bleak unless you are Darren Dreger.

No reason they cant commit 8-9M on two 4.5M goalies.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
You’re fucked if your starter is out. And I just don’t think we’ll find two Jacks and pay them both reasonable money. We’re constrained by the cap otherwise I’d feel differently about spending, and we still have to flush Mrazek.
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But again, the point is to have 2 guys who are similar caliber. Two Jack types. Neither can be trusted as full-time starters, but you can platoon them. They tried that last year with Mrazek. This is what Dubas wanted and what he'll continue to strive for. You're still stuck in 2004 I think. Really only 2 guys can be trusted as a full-time starter these days. Maybe 3 if lucky. So you buy 2 for the price of 1 good one and hope for the best. It's better than paying a lot for one. Or paying a little for 1 with Kallgren as the backup.

But Dubas knows this. He tried this last year with Mrazek and he'll try it again when he admits his mistake and trades or buys out his ass.
 
Markstrom, an actual NHL goalie, has already decided to take overseas money

The market will be good for those who dont act irrationally.

Dubas should be able to find 2 solid 912-915 G for 7-9M on 2 year deals if he's smart about it.
 
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