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TML? More like FML, amirite? Yet Another Off Season Thread

A cup contender deciding to trade their #1 or 2 defender despite not being cap fucked would be an LOL decision
 
JackBurton said:
We aren't winning shit with Muzzin and Tampa just moved McDonagh. We need to play Sandin.
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Tampa moved McDonagh because they needed to in order to keep the band together. They are a much worse team today. They won cups with McDonagh and are a hell of a lot less likely to win them now without him. The same will hold true for the Leafs without Muzzin. Trading him as a pure cap dump is a bitch move and an acceptance that they are making their team worse by doing so. The aggressive decision is to keep him and try to win now.
 
I like Sandin but this ain't some rebuilding team that needs to trade superior dominant tough minute vets in order to develop kids. If Raz is unhappy with his opportunity, I totally get it. But that doesn't mean they should trade superior players in order to give into his desires. This team is designed to win now so maybe keeping your best players is the right way to go.
 
Preston said:
Tampa moved McDonagh because they needed to in order to keep the band together. They are a much worse team today. They won cups with McDonagh and are a hell of a lot less likely to win them now without him. The same will hold true for the Leafs without Muzzin. Trading him as a pure cap dump is a bitch move and an acceptance that they are making their team worse by doing so. The aggressive decision is to keep him and try to win now.
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I realize why they ultimately moved him. That said, Leafs aren't winning shit with Muzzin. And the cap can still help them, even if they aren't as tight against the cap as the Bolts. Is Sandin worse than Muzzin going into next year? If we worry about a shutdown big D, there are ways to address that at the deadline.
This team made a massive blunder not playing Lilly. Other teams that are having more success don't seem shy in playing young players a lot. Sandin is correct in giving them issues about playing time.

The real reason is Kyle is too shy to ask Muzzin to waive his NTC clause. It might cause tension. This organization needs to be more cut-throat.
 
JackBurton said:
I realize why they ultimately moved him. That said, Leafs aren't winning shit with Muzzin. And the cap can still help them, even if they aren't as tight against the cap as the Bolts. Is Sandin worse than Muzzin going into next year? If we worry about a shutdown big D, there are ways to address that at the deadline.
This team made a massive blunder not playing Lilly. Other teams that are having more success don't seem shy in playing young players a lot.
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Do I think Sandin could help completely shut down a Stamkos-Kucherov line at evens next year? No. No I do not. That is wildly optimistic even for zeke's standards.

A team with cap aspirations trading their best shutdown defender for zilch is a very meek, bitch ass move IMO.
 
Preston said:
Do I think Sandin could help completely shut down a Stamkos-Kucherov line at evens next year? No. No I do not. That is wildly optimistic even for zeke's standards.

A team with cap aspirations trading their best shutdown defender for zilch is a very meek, bitch ass move IMO.
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Win with the most talented lineup. Keefe worried about that against Tampa and we got nailed on it.
 
JackBurton said:
Win with the most talented lineup. Keefe worried about that against Tampa and we got nailed on it.
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Muzzin is part of their most talented lineup obviously. They didn't lose because of him. In fact, he was one many reasons that it was so close.
 
Preston said:
If you really really want to trade a D, you consider trading Rielly over Muzzin all day. Raz is much more likely to replace Mo than Muzz. But just keep him too. Relax folks.
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Muzzin is simply not that good. We can't lose Sandin. Not playing him much next year is a really stupid direction.
 
JackBurton said:
Muzzin is simply not that good. We can't lose Sandin. Not playing him much next year is a really stupid direction.
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Muzzin is currently far superior to Sandin.

Muzzin is likely to remain so for another year or two on the conservative end.

There is no guarantee Sandin ever becomes as good as Muzzin is now.

What are you on about?
 
I mean sure, if you prefer to lose to Tampa in 6 next year instead of 7, trade the guy that shuts down the oppositions best players with a high success rate. I guess it's more important to develop kids than win.
 
JackBurton said:
I realize why they ultimately moved him. That said, Leafs aren't winning shit with Muzzin. And the cap can still help them, even if they aren't as tight against the cap as the Bolts. Is Sandin worse than Muzzin going into next year? If we worry about a shutdown big D, there are ways to address that at the deadline.
This team made a massive blunder not playing Lilly. Other teams that are having more success don't seem shy in playing young players a lot. Sandin is correct in giving them issues about playing time.

The real reason is Kyle is too shy to ask Muzzin to waive his NTC clause. It might cause tension. This organization needs to be more cut-throat.
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This is Dreger level conjecture, congrats!
 
The actual real reason is that, while it might make sense from a cap perspective to move on from Muzzin, the Leafs are still relying on him as a linchpin on defence this season. He and Brodie will do the bulk of the real defending.

The NTC has nothing to do with it. McDonagh has a full NTC.
 
Blueman said:
what ever happened to byfuglien?
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He didn't exactly retire "early" (think he was close to his mid-thirties). Made his millions, won the Cup & I believe he lost his desire to continue playing (or rather the work that was required to getting into shape every year) & his injuries started to accumulate.
 
JackBurton said:
I realize why they ultimately moved him. That said, Leafs aren't winning shit with Muzzin. And the cap can still help them, even if they aren't as tight against the cap as the Bolts. Is Sandin worse than Muzzin going into next year? If we worry about a shutdown big D, there are ways to address that at the deadline.
This team made a massive blunder not playing Lilly. Other teams that are having more success don't seem shy in playing young players a lot. Sandin is correct in giving them issues about playing time.

The real reason is Kyle is too shy to ask Muzzin to waive his NTC clause. It might cause tension. This organization needs to be more cut-throat.
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Leafs are one of the best teams in hockey with Muzzin. Losing Muzzin makes them worse. His contract is short and affordable.

None of this makes sense.

Tampa got rid of McDonagh because he has a much worse deal than Muzzin. And they hurt their team significantly by doing it.
 
P.s. they're moving Holl and both Sandin and Lilly will be full time top 6 dmen this year just like they were last year. There's no lack of playing time.
 
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