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TML? More like FML, amirite? Yet Another Off Season Thread

LeafOfFaith said:
I'm skeptical Dubie was on board with not playing Lilly in the series. That was Keefe all the way, imo.
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Why does Dubas need this position with the leafs if he can walk on water and do no wrong.
First it was Lou that was the problem then Babcock and now it was Keefe that is the problem.
This clown was gifted Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Reilly.
Glasses hasn't found a goalie or provided the key ingredients this team needs and yet somehow is being held hostage by every possible scenario which doesn't cast an pale over dubas.
Glasses is the problem. And shanny can go too.
If the leafs truly want to be a forerunner in the teaching of the woke reality and being good corporate citizens, Make a woman the next GM.
Shannahan once mentioned that his quest was to have a team that was exciting and able to compete each year. Well he and beancounters are happy .....
Fucking pass on Kane for Blackwell and many seem to be happy with this shit.
 
He only built a team that ended with 115 points and best in franchise history despite all the failings you lament over. We lost by one fucking goal again because those guys he was gifted with couldn’t score one more pesky goal in one of two elimination games.
 
And next year it will be another excuse.
This team is flawed.
When someone mentions they don't want Trotz here because Matthews will only get 45 goals a season..... So what! He gets 20 and the leafs win the cup, great.
Last time I looked it is a team sport .... Maybe that is the problem ... The me's control the team.
 
uncus said:
And next year it will be another excuse.
This team is flawed.
When someone mentions they don't want Trotz here because Matthews will only get 45 goals a season..... So what! He gets 20 and the leafs win the cup, great.
Last time I looked it is a team sport .... Maybe that is the problem ... The me's control the team.
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Yep. The excuses don't work. They've blown it. 0-9 in elimination games since 2018. A shockingly bad stat.
There will be "Changes", but if no one steps up late in a series it's over.
 
You obviously don't blow it up. There is no circumstance where it would make sense to trade Matthews or Marner.

I think you have to give the kids a lot of opportunity. Sandin and Lilly should be penciled into the top 5, with opportunity for the significant top 4 Holl/Boosh/Gio minutes. Up front Robertson needs to get a real opportunity to play regularly. Knies should be penciled in for after the NCAA season. Guys like Holmberg, Anderson, Steeves, Abruzzese, etc should be given real looks, not 2 games here and there. The best bet at filling depth spots with talented players cheap is through the draft. By the deadline you'll know how many NIck Pauls/Gios you need to acquire to fill the spots the kids can't.

Use whatever process helped identify Bunting and Kampf to try to get another Kampf/Bunting. Forget spending money on vets like Ritchine and Kase to eat depth minutes. You can always get guys like that cheap at the deadline. I'd rather see what we have with the Marlies and accrue the cap space for the deadline where you can buy much more for the extra couple mil.

It should be a priority to spend Kerfoot and Mrazak's cap space better. Kerfoot is a homeless man's top 6 swiss army knife. You need someone in that role that can impact big games positively, and ideally can actually play center, for that money. The goaltending goes without saying. That was by far the biggest weakness of the team this year. This is where you can make the team significantly better.

I would be fine with moving guys like Tavares, Nylander, RIelly, but it has to be a deal that makes the team better. Just trading them for picks or prospects, or to make a change doesn't move the team forward. And those deals will be very hard to find. There are so few deals that would make sense, especially for Nylander. They can't afford to make another Kadri deal with a guy like Nylander or Rielly. They already tried the "trade a key player to make a change" move and it blew up in their faces. No one calling for "change" ever talks about that.

Muzzin is the more interesting question. Lots of reasons to move him and keep him. Its hard to replace what he could bring healthy, and hard to stomach another regular season like that, for that cap space.
 
they haven't "put kids in the lineup" until now and they're not going to start next season.

Dubas is on the last year of his contract. he needs to win right now or he's finished here.

the 22/23 season is not a "let's develop kids" year for this franchise. if somebody goes nuts and grabs a spot with a death grip, okay. but otherwise it's going to be whatever veterans Dubas can land to replace the departing ones.
 
Volcanologist said:
they haven't "put kids in the lineup" until now and they're not going to start next season.

Dubas is on the last year of his contract. he needs to win right now or he's finished here.

the 22/23 season is not a "let's develop kids" year for this franchise. if somebody goes nuts and grabs a spot with a death grip, okay. but otherwise it's going to be whatever veterans Dubas can land to replace the departing ones.
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Good post but Dubas will have no problem finding another gig
 
Wayward DP said:
a 1st and prospect would be on the SHIT end of the acceptable return spectrum. Muzz is an all around, legit shutdown top-4 d-man. He is mean and truculent and has great nerdies. Only concerns are age/decline. Presto's hypothesis would be the low end of what we could expect to recoup. Physical shutdown d-men with puck skills are super coveted.
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he is no chariot
 
If all you can get is the Kubina for Exelby package for Muzzin then you pretty obviously keep him.

He does have that NTC so you have a smaller pool of teams to choose from at best. It's just a matter of how much they like the player. He was part of the best shutdown pair we've seen on this team in the last 20 years probably, but only in a 7 game series. If you believe the 7 game series + his prior seasons in Toronto over his off-regular season then you're probably interested in giving a late 1st+ (which contrary to popular belief, isn't a very good package; late 1sts get overrated by a lot of dummies). If you believe that his regular season is more of what we can expect moving forward you're probably more cautious. But I still say that a late 1st alone is not a very competitive package for what he can bring to the table, especially if the team acquiring him is not capped out. The amount of actual money due to be paid to him is far lower than his AAV.

I mean you can probably get the 1st back at the deadline this year or next unless he really falls off a cliff (no evidence of that yet, contrary to popular belief).
 
hockeylover said:
Yeah, I'll be watching.

I watched through frozen waffles, I watched when our leading scorer had 5 less points than Auston had goals this year, no point quitting now.
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ya - i think people do not quite appreciate what you have

and what else are people going to do when covid 22 takes over
 
Preston said:
If all you can get is the Kubina for Exelby package for Muzzin then you pretty obviously keep him.

He does have that NTC so you have a smaller pool of teams to choose from at best. It's just a matter of how much they like the player. He was part of the best shutdown pair we've seen on this team in the last 20 years probably, but only in a 7 game series. If you believe the 7 game series + his prior seasons in Toronto over his off-regular season then you're probably interested in giving a late 1st+ (which contrary to popular belief, isn't a very good package; late 1sts get overrated by a lot of dummies). If you believe that his regular season is more of what we can expect moving forward you're probably more cautious. But I still say that a late 1st alone is not a very competitive package for what he can bring to the table, especially if the team acquiring him is not capped out. The amount of actual money due to be paid to him is far lower than his AAV.

I mean you can probably get the 1st back at the deadline this year or next unless he really falls off a cliff (no evidence of that yet, contrary to popular belief).
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think it’s less about the return and more about if you believe he is healthy and what else you can do with the cap space.

a first does little for this team. But $5.6 mill could do a lot in theory. Especially if he is not capable of playing a full season/playoff run at this point. But if he is healthy than it’s hard to improve by moving him.
 
leafman101 said:
think it’s less about the return and more about if you believe he is healthy and what else you can do with the cap space.

a first does little for this team. But $5.6 mill could do a lot in theory.
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A 1st can be flipped for immediate help. Getting rid of him for nothing would be some sort of ballsy move after he led your top pair that did a great job vs Kucherov all series. You just can't do that. Get value back or roll the dice and hope the playoffs were for real.
 
But I do agree that a 1st in itself is a mediocre return for a guy with his capabilities. I'm not all that horned up about that either.
 
The cap space isn’t nothing though. Like I’d rather cap space than a 1st plus eating a contract.

as we know $5.6 mill in cap space for 2 years is worth a 1st. If you move him it’s ultimately about what you can do with that space that is better than Muzzin.
 
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