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2024-25 Canes Miscellaneous Thread

FWIW I think he stays.

the Canes have never had the superstar thing work out, but they're still always in contention since TD has been in charge, so I'm not overly concerned. I think we're better with Rantanen than without, but I also think that GMET can put together a solid group regardless.
 
polarbare said:
FWIW I think he stays.

the Canes have never had the superstar thing work out, but they're still always in contention since TD has been in charge, so I'm not overly concerned. I think we're better with Rantanen than without, but I also think that GMET can put together a solid group regardless.
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I do too, mostly because they can afford to over-pay and over-term Rantanen and have that extra year to play with. And if you're finally going to go there, then this is the kind of guy to do it with. He's not just a first team All Star kind of player, he's also got the huge frame and he's younger than what you normally see when a high quality player comes to market. Carolina already has the next step makeover of their defense group queued up in Nikishin and Morrow and has a decent selection of support guys locked in for the next cycle. The biggest missing piece is the impact scorer and you just spent a fair amount of asset capital to get one. The pieces are all there for this to get done, even if it's not the nature of the club to rush things. From there all you've got to do is find a center for that second scoring line, which means finally giving up on Kotkaniemi. That's easier for Tulsky to do since he can pin that on Waddell and move on.

And if it all blows up and they have to re-build over the summer, then they can take some inspiration from what Washington did last summer. That was a VERY Hurricanes-looking collection of moves the Caps made last off season. And they were building around way less than the Canes will have for a core group.
 
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I don’t know where I stand on this. I want to sign him long term, but the pessimist in me doesn’t think we’ll get a deal done. Not because they won’t spend the money, because they will, but I’m not sold on whether Rantanen wants to be here. No proof or anything, just my own insecurities I guess.
 
You don’t let him leave unless the guy absolutely tells you he hates it here and won’t sign…then you have to get that word now and move him. No team should ever let assets like Necas go when under contract for nothing! I think personally Aho and Tulsky along with Tom’s wallet convince him to stay on a 8 year deal and we all live happily ever after, isn’t the whole point of Rants and his agent desires to sign a huge contract as a top paid player…just sign here and get it done and be the man.
 
The Canes are practicing before heading to Toronto this afternoon. Slavin and Jarvis are missing. Jost should be back in the lineup tomorrow, he’s been cleared.

Rantanen - Aho - X
Hall - Kotkaniemi - Blake
Martinook - Staal - Svechnikov
Robinson - Jost - Roslovic

Stillman - Burns
Orlov - Chatfield
Gostisbehere - Walker

Kochetkov | Andersen
 
Jarvis back on the 1st line? I'd like that, if for no other reason that to bring his predictable jolt of joyous energy to two Finns who were both gripping it a little too tightly in the 4 Nations. Rantanen played better than Aho but they were both trying too freaking hard to make it happen.
 
They're all dead positive Rantanen isn't staying....

www.houseofhockey.net

Mikko Rantanen's Future Plans Reportedly Revealed As He Doesn't Intend To Sign In Carolina

The Carolina Hurricanes made the big move to trade for Mikko Rantanen, but now it appears the star forward has no intention of signing with the team long-term.
www.houseofhockey.net www.houseofhockey.net


Even Elliot Friedman says he's gone....is his agent talking to everyone?
www.hockeypatrol.com

Elliotte Friedman Once Again Links the Toronto Maple Leafs to 50-Goal Scorer

NHL Insider Elliotte Friedman has once again placed the Toronto Maple Leafs as one of the top contenders to acquire superstar forward Mikko Rantanen.
www.hockeypatrol.com www.hockeypatrol.com
 
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Of the people who are talking about Rantanen being flipped, the ONLY one with any credibility is Friedman. Period. And Elliot gets 90% of his stuff from the agent community. So, is this really Rantanen not being willing to even listen to an offer from Carolina (which would be, let's face it ... stupid) or is this his agent stirring the pot like he did when the player was in Colorado?

And let's be really clear-eyed here. The reason the Avs pulled the plug on Rantanen as early as they did was 100% about his agent playing games in the press. Chances are VERY good that he's doing the same thing now, hoping to get his asset in a bigger American market with a better chance of secondary income. The question is, are the Canes willing to brazen it out to a degree beyond what the Avs would take? Honestly, the press situation makes it easier for Carolina because this issue is only going to flare up when they're either playing in a major media market or hosting a team from one of those markets. If I'm right and this noise is agent-driven, then watch that pattern. Carolina's in Toronto today and Montreal on Tuesday ... noise. 4 Nations was a media frenzy ... noise. Then they're home with Buffalo and a couple of western Canadian teams on the calendar ... less noise before everything ramps again the week of the deadline.
 
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And worth noting ... Carolina wants to win NOW and thinks they're close to being set up to do just that. Flipping Rantanen throws you back into trying to settle a new asset on the fly, because there's ZERO chance the Canes move a top player for picks, prospects or secondary guys. If they can't get equal quality there's no point in making a move for a team that wants to compete this year. And I'd wager there's very little chance of that happening in this deadline market. I also think there's very little chance of getting Rantanen signed before the deadline, since I think his agent is taking that off the table. See the post above for my argument on that.

So, Canes fans ... buckle up, buttercups. It's going to be a bumpy ride.
 
I read that and appreciate Lazerus at least attempting to cut through the chatter and look at the situation from the team's perspective. Again, I think the Canes front office knew full well what was coming when they pulled the trigger on that trade and decided it was worth it for what the player brought to the table.
 
Thanks, Andy. That was a solid, non-hyped article. I still believe Rantanen will be signed by the Canes. He's still the best player available and can give the Canes the scorer they've always wanted.
 
FWIW, reports out of Toronto indicate that Carolina made Rantanen an offer on a contract extension either during or right after the 4 Nations break. It was reported as "9 figures", and he's supposedly thinking about it. It's obvious the info came from his agent, confirming my suspicions about what was driving the reports we saw during 4 Nations.

If I had to guess, the Canes probably gave him a starting position rather than a drop dead number. There's no reason for the info to be presented as this "in the 9 digit range" nonsense unless the agent is downplaying the number, which means the Canes likely offered the full term at a logical market value. If he was actually offended by it, you'd hear completely different noises. For the record, $100 million would be $12.5 million AAV by 8 years, which is pretty much what Rantanen supposedly wanted from Colorado ... although there have been conflicting reports on that.
 
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Supposedly, Trotz said the Preds will be sellers at the deadline. Ryan O’Reilly has 2 years left at $4.5 million AAV, $4 million actual. But he just turned 34.
 
andyt said:
Supposedly, Trotz said the Preds will be sellers at the deadline. Ryan O’Reilly has 2 years left at $4.5 million AAV, $4 million actual. But he just turned 34.
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Meh. He doesn’t move the needle for me. He has similar production to our other centers other than Jost. They should aim higher imo
 
jeffbear said:
FWIW, reports out of Toronto indicate that Carolina made Rantanen an offer on a contract extension either during or right after the 4 Nations break. It was reported as "9 figures", and he's supposedly thinking about it. It's obvious the info came from his agent, confirming my suspicions about what was driving the reports we saw during 4 Nations.

If I had to guess, the Canes probably gave him a starting position rather than a drop dead number. There's no reason for the info to be presented as this "in the 9 digit range" nonsense unless the agent is downplaying the number, which means the Canes likely offered the full term at a logical market value. If he was actually offended by it, you'd hear completely different noises. For the record, $100 million would be $12.5 million AAV by 8 years, which is pretty much what Rantanen supposedly wanted from Colorado ... although there have been conflicting reports on that.
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I can’t find it on his account, but Weekes said the Canes offered Rantanen $108 million, which would be $13.5 million AAV


View: https://bsky.app/profile/canesstats.bsky.social/post/3livbkdrrf22q
 
CanadaCanes said:
If that’s accurate good on Tom for opening up the Brinks truck! If Rantanen spurns the Canes then I don’t have enough expletives to express my frustration on this one…
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If he turns that down it’s simple. He doesn’t want to be here. At that point I can’t fault management/ownership as they manned up and paid the guy he just didn’t want Carolina. Here’s to hoping he signs it
 
Fayettenamcanesfan said:
If he turns that down it’s simple. He doesn’t want to be here. At that point I can’t fault management/ownership as they manned up and paid the guy he just didn’t want Carolina. Here’s to hoping he signs it
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Unless he gets traded before the deadline, we’re the only team that can give him 8 years. As Jeff said, it’s probably not a take or leave it offer, it’s a starting point. And the starting point is in the ballpark of what he’s probably looking for, so his agent shouldn’t have been chased away by a lowball offer.
 
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