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OT: American Politics

This will have no impact on whether or not American democracy survives. Literally none. The path to saving American democracy involves the Democrats ignoring all of this noise and doing actual grassroots work on promoting a better vision for America and wrestling enough constitutional power back at the mid terms to limit the structural damage.
 
thehabhater said:
If Trump's case was thrown out in Florida for not having a senate confirmation of a special prosecutor, why wasn't Hunter's case thrown out for the same reason?
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Trump's case in Florida was tossed for made up bullshit that would have been overturned on appeal.

I understand practically why Biden did what he did but I don't see any basis for defending it on ideological grounds
 
sadly the democracy argument didn't move the needle.

my fantasy football group chat was just a bunch of young male teachers(!?) agreeing trump would be great for them personally so they would've voted for trump (no examples provided) even though some of harris proprosals would've affected them specifically (newborns at home, sick parents to take care of).
 
hockeylover said:
sadly the democracy argument didn't move the needle.

my fantasy football group chat was just a bunch of young male teachers(!?) agreeing trump would be great for them personally so they would've voted for trump (no examples provided) even though some of harris proprosals would've affected them specifically (newborns at home, sick parents to take care of).
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It did move the needle. Just not enough
 
LeafGm said:
It’d say it’s akin to stealing a valuable trinket or two from a house that’s totally engulfed in flames and past any possible attempt to stop its imminent collapse into a pile of burning rubble.

Wrong or immoral? Sure.

Does it make any difference, or do any additional harm at this point? Nope.
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giving up on american democracy because of this very close election seems pretty weak to me. you're absolutely right that we're at a seriously dangerous inflection point where it all could die. But we're not there until we're ther.

but now is definitely a crucially important time where standing up for principles is more important than it's ever been if there's any chance to save it.

and Joe pussied out to save his piece of shit son a few well earned months in prison. at the worst possible time.
 
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zeke said:
giving up on american democracy because of this very close election seems pretty weak to me. you're absolutely right that we're at a seriously dangerous inflection point where it all could die. But we're not there until we're ther.

but now is definitely a crucially important time where standing up for principles is more important than it's ever been if there's any chance to save it.

and Joe pussied out to save his piece of shit son a few well earned months in prison. at the worst possible time.
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Prison is no fairytale world
 
MindzEye said:
This is crazy talk. You think they're done with political enemies because they won?

Yeah, this isn't how autocracies function at all. There will be show trials. Hunter was going to be one of them.
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He may still be. If I were Hunter I'd be emigrating. It's only a matter of time before Trunp's DOJ charges him with something.
 
hockeylover said:
sadly the democracy argument didn't move the needle.

my fantasy football group chat was just a bunch of young male teachers(!?) agreeing trump would be great for them personally so they would've voted for trump (no examples provided) even though some of harris proprosals would've affected them specifically (newborns at home, sick parents to take care of).
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A very significant portion of Trump voters ended up subscribing to the "take him seriously, but not literally" bullshit and they just don't think he's going to do the things that came out of his mouth. They just want the trains to run on time.
 
zeke said:
giving up on american democracy because of this very close election seems pretty weak to me. you're absolutely right that we're at a seriously dangerous inflection point where it all could die. But we're not there until we're ther.

but now is definitely a crucially important time where standing up for principles is more important than it's ever been if there's any chance to save it.

and Joe pussied out to save his piece of shit son a few well earned months in prison. at the worst possible time.
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It's not about giving up. It's about not being able to stop it from happening. The first thing people are suggesting is for the Dems to work hard in Congress to defeat MAGA overreach. But as outlined in Project 2025, the first item on the agenda will be to dismantle Article 1 of the Constitution and destroy the power of the Congress. They've thought of everything this time. It's too late.
 
zeke said:
hunter earned it. Many many many people have served harder time for far less than he did. And he's the son of immense privilege with zero excuse for it.
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Sure but if it was a few months for sure maybe Biden convinces himself it is a good thing for hunter.
 
zeke said:
hunter earned it. Many many many people have served harder time for far less than he did. And he's the son of immense privilege with zero excuse for it.
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I mean, this just isn't true and that's one of the core problems here. If his last name wasn't Biden he would have been able to negotiate a plea deal on the tax charges and avoided jail time altogether. The gun charge would never have come to light if he wasn't a Biden either because his addiction wouldn't have become publicly known like the 10's of millions of other addicts in the US we've never heard of that no one is double checking the old gun registration paperwork of.

Listen, I reflexively dislike useless nepo twits as well but being a Biden didn't help Hunter through this process, it harmed him.
 
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