OT: The Official Toronto Raptors Thread

[MindzEye]

JFJ?

I have a small bit of sympathy for JFJ. Only a small bit, but still. When he interviewed for the job he suggested a full tear down and rebuild, which got vetoed by the galaxy brains on the board and he was told to compete. He was handed a bunch of expensive veterans that needs significant upgrades around them to be competitive, but how had to do it in a capped environment. We'll always have the Rask for Raycroft trade to screech about and he deserves the hatred for that

Honestly, a lot of the hate he gets is for Peddie's decision to remove Quinn from the GM position. He did an okay, just okay job overall in a situation he had actually to do really well in to succeed here. He was dealt a losing hand and played it kinda okay.

Drafting wasn't shit and he did an okay job adding cheap veteran reclamation projects (Allison, Lindros, O'Neill) to a capped out lineup that didn't have much help coming from the D&D pipeline. As usual in this city though, being a terrible judge of goaltending did him in.

 

[zeke]

Both Babcock and JFJ were pet hires by the great Richard Peddie.

 

[MindzEye]

Both Babcock and JFJ were pet hires by the great Richard Peddie.

The real architect of the shit period between Mats & Matthews.

 

[MyNameIsJonas]

If i recall Stellick only scouted players that played in Belleville cause they were to cheap to send scouts elsewhere

 

[MindzEye]

Clark wins ROY (unanimous) & finishes 4th in MVP voting which is close enough to being right to not complain about it.

 

[Pwner]

Ah shit.... booooooooooooooooooo

Sources: Toronto Raptors to retire Vince Carter’s jersey on Nov. 2 | TSN

Nearly 26 years after scoring the first-ever basket at Scotiabank Arena, formerly Air Canada Centre, Vince Carter will become the first Toronto Raptors player to have his jersey go into the rafters.

www.tsn.ca

There were high-ranking members of the organization who maintained that Kyle Lowry should be the first to receive the honour, having spent nearly a decade with the club, been the face of its most successful era, and led it to a championship.

However, Lowry is about to begin his 19th NBA season; he’s in the back nine of his career, but his retirement is at least a few years off. With Carter’s Hall of Fame induction coinciding with the Raptors’ 30th season, the timing felt right and there was a strong push made on his behalf. It gained steam in May when the Nets announced that they would be retiring Carter’s jersey.

 

[LeafGm]

Ah shit.... booooooooooooooooooo

Sources: Toronto Raptors to retire Vince Carter’s jersey on Nov. 2 | TSN

Nearly 26 years after scoring the first-ever basket at Scotiabank Arena, formerly Air Canada Centre, Vince Carter will become the first Toronto Raptors player to have his jersey go into the rafters.

www.tsn.ca

Horseshit.

 

[MindzEye]

Nah, this is good.

Good for the Raptors, good for the city, good for Vince. He means too much to the franchise and the basketball culture in the city to not be recognized.

This won't diminish Kyle's jersey retirement (probably with a statue) immediately after he retires.

 

[MindzEye]

Fwiw, I'd have all of Vince, Kyle, Demar, Kawhi, and Pascal retired here.

 

[zeke]

I dunno about Demar tbh.

 

[MindzEye]

I dunno about Demar tbh.

9 seasons, 4 time all star, 2 time All NBA. The only thing Pascal's legacy in Toronto has on him is being the 4th best player on a championship team instead of the 2nd best player on a EC finalist. The first all star level player to be vocally committed to the organization when previous stars had left.

100% deserves it.

 

[zeke]

Siakam was the 2nd option on a championship team.

Far more important than demar getting a couple extra allstar games in a horrendous conference.

 

[MindzEye]

Siakam was the 2nd option on a championship team.

And it's 4th best player.

Far more important than demar getting a couple extra allstar games in a horrendous conference.

But I'm not saying either/or, I'm saying both. Pascal was as big a flop as "the man" in Toronto as Demar was tbh.

Neither of them were fit to be batman on a contending team. Pascal had the benefit of Kawhi's gravity & Gasol's playmaking and spacing. Demar was told to play hero ball without a whole lot of support aside from Kyle's unappreciated (at the time) brilliance.

Both of them have legacies worth honouring in Toronto.

 

[zeke]

And it's 4th best player.

there's an argument for 3rd. no argument for 4th.

But I'm not saying either/or, I'm saying both. Pascal was as big a flop as "the man" in Toronto as Demar was tbh.

Neither of them were fit to be batman on a contending team. Pascal had the benefit of Kawhi's gravity & Gasol's playmaking and spacing. Demar was told to play hero ball without a whole lot of support aside from Kyle's unappreciated (at the time) brilliance.

Both of them have legacies worth honouring in Toronto.

Demar would be one of the weakest "retired jerseys" in nba history.

 

[Pwner]

But Demar is probably going into the Hall though

 

[MindzEye]

there's an argument for 3rd. no argument for 4th.

Gasol was still an elite defensive centre when he was brought in.

Also, there's no "argument" for 3rd. 3rd at best, and a distant, distant 3rd behind Kawhi & Kyle.

Demar would be one of the weakest "retired jerseys" in nba history.

Nah

lots of guys of that tier (or lower) with retired jerseys around the league. Shit, just look at Milwaukee's list. Some legit HOF'ers on there but none of Dandridge, Bridgeman, Lanier, or Winters did as much for Milwaukee as Demar did for the Raptors.

You're going to lose it when Demar makes the HOF, aren't you?

 

[MindzEye]

But Demar is probably going into the Hall though

Demar is probably going to end up top 25 all time in points scored, and the highest ranked guy on that list eligible for but not in the Hall is Lamarcus Aldridge at 47th.

So yeah.

He's super likely to go in as a Raptor as well. Would be super, super fucking weird to have a guy in the HOF as a Raptor, but not have his jersey retired. Delusional even.

 

[zeke]

Gasol was still an elite defensive centre when he was brought in.

Also, there's no "argument" for 3rd. 3rd at best, and a distant, distant 3rd behind Kawhi & Kyle.

Gasol wasn't playine near the minutes of Pascal, and had nowhere near the offensive responsibility.

And yes there's an argument for 2nd - Pascal and Kyle had similar sized roles, and Pascal was the clearcut #2 option, and even beat Kyle in BPM that playoffs run. The 2nd option is usually considered the #2 unless there's an unusual situation.

Nah

lots of guys of that tier (or lower) with retired jerseys around the league. Shit, just look at Milwaukee's list. Some legit HOF'ers on there but none of Dandridge, Bridgeman, Lanier, or Winters did as much for Milwaukee as Demar did for the Raptors.

You're going to lose it when Demar makes the HOF, aren't you?

1 2nd team, 1 3rd team, 4 all stars, no chips (or even close)

are there really any retired jerseys with that weak a resume?

 

[leafman101]

I'm fine with stopping at Vince, Lowry, Kawhi.

 

[MindzEye]

1 2nd team, 1 3rd team, 4 all stars, no chips (or even close)

are there really any retired jerseys with that weak a resume?

Tons.

Again, Demar is very likely to make HOF as a Raptor. Lots of non HOF'ers with retired jerseys around the league.

Gasol wasn't playine near the minutes of Pascal, and had nowhere near the offensive responsibility.

eh "nowhere near the offensive responsibility" isn't a 4% difference in USG. Nurse loved running his offence through Marc at the top. Pascals offensive responsibility was taking advantage of not being double teamed, which don't get me wrong is entirely essential on a contender (Klay Thompson has made a HOF career of being the guy who never sees a double, ever). But being the #2 guy is a role that a lot of good scorers can fill.