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OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

WellPlayed said:
I was only kidding. I agree with you to a point. Still find certain teams and their fans annoying but there's no more hate as I've gotten older.
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I'd take the fuck out of the hipster sports fan label so I was hoping you weren't joking! But anyway, yeah, all teams have annoying fanbases especially the FUCKING FRENCH ones.



Love you Habsy
 
Preston said:
If a more enjoyable experience makes me a hipster sports fan, I'll take the fuck out of that. Hatred/anger is exhausting. The pandemic has caused too much of that for me to care about hating a bunch of dudes because they wear a particular color.
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You are not the kind of fan who's going to keep the lights on in the arena. When you get to the point where you don't hate, then it means you don't really care who wins or who loses. Once that happens you become a fairweather, indifferent fan who can take or leave the sport. Fans like that, the kind that Bettman has been courting for the past quarter century, don't get you where you need to go. You need fans that care about winning and losing and who care enough about an opponent to hate that opponent. Teams that neither please nor offend are teams you can ignore. That's what I do to the Hurricanes, Panthers, Coyotes, Devils and Blue Jackets. Despite my fandom, I can't be arsed to watch a game that these teams are playing in, even if it's against my team. Consequently I don't watch those games. I have an IPTV box that enables me to watch any and every NHL game but I only watch my team and only if they're playing a team I care about. If there's nothing to be in opposition to then there's no point.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
You are not the kind of fan who's going to keep the lights on in the arena. When you get to the point where you don't hate, then it means you don't really care who wins or who loses. Once that happens you become a fairweather, indifferent fan who can take or leave the sport. Fans like that, the kind that Bettman has been courting for the past quarter century, don't get you where you need to go. You need fans that care about winning and losing and who care enough about an opponent to hate that opponent. Teams that neither please nor offend are teams you can ignore. That's what I do to the Hurricanes, Panthers, Coyotes, Devils and Blue Jackets. Despite my fandom, I can't be arsed to watch a game that these teams are playing in, even if it's against my team. Consequently I don't watch those games. I have an IPTV box that enables me to watch any and every NHL game but I only watch my team and only if they're playing a team I care about. If there's nothing to be in opposition to then there's no point.
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You just said you don't watch the Habs play against certain teams. Sounds like you're not keeping any lights on either. I watch the Leafs against anyone and everyone because LOVE can be just as deep and powerful as HATE. #PeaceAndLove #LoveNotHate
 
Preston said:
You just said you don't watch the Habs play against certain teams. Sounds like you're not keeping any lights on either. I watch the Leafs against anyone and everyone because LOVE can be just as deep and powerful as HATE. #PeaceAndLove #LoveNotHate
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That's my point. The Bettman NHL is turning hard core fans into indifferent fans by over expanding into markets that nobody cares about. They are addicted to expansion fees and US television money. They are hoping to live off the money generated by fans who will watch any hockey game no matter who's playing just because it's hockey. But fans like that don't really exist in large numbers. Even as a kid when the Habs game was blacked out, the Sabres weren't playing on Channel 2 and the Leafs vs Cleveland Barons game was the only viewing option, I simply found other things to do. Not many fans fork out hundreds of dollars to buy tickets to games featuring teams they don't really care about.

And don't for one second think that love is more powerful than hate. That's a fairy tale. A quick glance at your social media feeds will tell you that hate is what moves the needle. That was the whole point of that whistleblower report on Facebook. They realized that what got people to spend more time on the app was hate and animosity, not love. so they stoked the hate.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
It's not about how mean they are it's about whether or not they have a right to speak in the first place. Fans of teams that haven't won a championship in their lifetime don't get to shoot their mouths off. And fans of teams who have zero championships in their trophy case? Please take a seat. You have to EARN the right to talk shit. Fans don't win championships, they win the right to rub other fans' noses in shit when their team wins championships on their behalf. When your team blows a 3-1 series lead and runs their playoff futility record to 0 for 17 years you as a fan have to take a fucking seat. That's how it works.

I realize that my team is going on 3 decades since its last Cup but since it still ranks as the most recent championship won by a Canadian team (and because we beat two Canadian teams in the playoffs last season) Habs fans can still strut their stuff north of the border for the time being. They earned that. But that's the point. As Tony Soprano famously said "You gotta earn". My issue is with fans of teams that have not earned them the right to talk shit. There are rules.
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So it's about a sense of superiority over other fans that you feel you're entitled to due to your cheering for an organization that hasn't won in almost 30 years?

The best part of that post is the 2 seconds of self awareness you achieve before dismissing it and acting like a fucking twit for the rest of the post again. Your organization is a clown show with no future run by a guy who was part of a massive sexual assault cover up and you think you and only you have the right to chirp other fans because of a fluke playoff run? To paraphrase the great Chris Rock, if Leafs fans woke up tomorrow morning and the Leafs were in the same shape as the Habs, we'd jump out the window and cut our own throats on the way down.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
It's not about how mean they are it's about whether or not they have a right to speak in the first place. Fans of teams that haven't won a championship in their lifetime don't get to shoot their mouths off. And fans of teams who have zero championships in their trophy case? Please take a seat. You have to EARN the right to talk shit. Fans don't win championships, they win the right to rub other fans' noses in shit when their team wins championships on their behalf. When your team blows a 3-1 series lead and runs their playoff futility record to 0 for 17 years you as a fan have to take a fucking seat. That's how it works.

I realize that my team is going on 3 decades since its last Cup but since it still ranks as the most recent championship won by a Canadian team (and because we beat two Canadian teams in the playoffs last season) Habs fans can still strut their stuff north of the border for the time being. They earned that. But that's the point. As Tony Soprano famously said "You gotta earn". My issue is with fans of teams that have not earned them the right to talk shit. There are rules.
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By your very own arguments, no you don't.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
Hate makes it great, as I always say. Without hate, you may as well be watching 12 year old girls playing ringette. That's what the NHL fails to grasp as they try to constantly place teams in markets that nobody gives a shit about. I don't care enough about places like Columbus or Raleigh to hate them. And if I can't hate them then they just bore me and I stop watching. When the Habs play a road game against the Hurricanes or the Devils I find something else to watch. I refuse to watch those teams. Their very existence bores me.

The opposite of love is not hate. The opposite of love is indifference. I'm not indifferent to the Leafs or the Bruins and if the Nordiques ever came back I wouldn't be indifferent to them either. But the Blue Jackets? The Panthers? The Coyotes? Who gives a shit?
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This is some weird, weird shit, but I love the uniqueness.

Your drive to watch your team’s games is fueled by which opposing team they’re playing?? What about just watching your team?? You’re definitely proving your thesis that hate > love, because hate seems to guide your interest in the Habs. Who can they play that’s hateful enough to get you to watch? What an odd barometer.
 
UWHabs said:
I was very thankful that when I moved to Calgary, the Flames were horrible while I was there, and only had their big run jut after I moved out for Uni. Sure, the Habs sucked, but the Flames were just as bad, which I'm sure kept the taunting down.

Of course, I am a little sad that I wasn't around town while the "Red Mile" was going on. I heard stories and saw pictures, and yeah, maybe teenage me would have become a Flames fan...
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no - you would have hated it as i did

all these fake flames fans were annoying
 
Preston said:
I grew out of hating opponents when I was 10. Not gonna knock anyone for hating as I get that is a big part of the sport but it just doesn't make much sense to me at this stage. And to WeHave's point it has also caused me to care less about the end results in sports than I used to. So I agree to an extent. Hate does fuel the passion of sports fans, something I have lacked for quite awhile now. But my enjoyment of sports hasn't changed much.. I am just less emotionally involved than I used to be (which if anything, makes me enjoy it more; less stress = enjoyment).
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nah...fuck the bruins
 
worm said:
i did not read all his stuff but he hates the habs more than the leafs
just sayin
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yeah but it doesn't stop him from talking mountains of shit does it? which I believe was the bullet point of that presentation.

the habs are just another team now. I remember when the Leafs drought was 30 years and I never heard the end of it from hab fans. fine....but you can't have it both ways.
 
Volcanologist said:
yeah but it doesn't stop him from talking mountains of shit does it? which I believe was the bullet point of that presentation.

the habs are just another team now. I remember when the Leafs drought was 30 years and I never heard the end of it from hab fans. fine....but you can't have it both ways.
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ya but the 90s were only 10 years ago..... right?....right?
 
Everyone can be whatever kind of fan they want. So if WeHave doesn't want to watch Habs vs Jackets games for whatever reason, that's fine.

For me, I've grown to be tired of hockey, mostly that Habs management over the past 5-10 years has just not given much to root for. Sure, I got mildly excited this past year, but not really until the finals, and that ended pretty damn quickly. So yeah, I haven't watched a lot of Habs-Jackets games, but I haven't watched a lot of any of their games.

For baseball, definitely when the Expos left that was a sour taste, and I was angry. But definitely things mellowed over time, and in a lot of ways, not having a "home" team made me just watch the sport for the sport. And then obviously working in it now, it's actually exciting to just kind of be a fan overall. So there's an afternoon Padres-Braves game on? Perfect, sounds like something nice to put on in the background. Sure, I still throw on a Jays game if I can more than others, but it's nice to just pick and choose what to watch. And obviously would have loved for the Jays to make it deeper this year, but so be it.

And when the Nats won the World Series a couple years ago? I didn't hate it. No, I wasn't one of those a-holes claiming the "Expos" won, and I wasn't someone who was cursing and treating that like the biggest indignation in history (which it would have been had they won in the first couple years after the move). But they were a fun team, well put together, so I enjoyed watching their games.
 
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