Wayward DP
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there is also a difference between trying your hardest and...not.
OT: The Toronto Blue Jays
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leafman101
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I think they are trying. But they just struggle to find the sweet spot.
manny
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This has probably become the most boring conversation on forumice, aside from all the weird foot shit. I’m pretty sure we can all agree that Atkins and Shapiro conducted a total shitshow of a teardown but that they have since become semi-competent. Right??? 
Moving on,
I kind of wanted Thor. Not because he is any good anymore, but more so to right an historic wrong by this franchise, giving up Syndergaard and D’Arnaud so they could hold on to Aaron Sanchez.
Moving on,
I kind of wanted Thor. Not because he is any good anymore, but more so to right an historic wrong by this franchise, giving up Syndergaard and D’Arnaud so they could hold on to Aaron Sanchez.
axlsalinger
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was kind of interested in Thor. He hasn't been right for quite a while, but if anyone can fix him it's the Dodgers.
zeke
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MyNameIsJonas
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Thor is just a name now.
I prefer Cueto or Smyly at 2/3 cost.
I prefer Cueto or Smyly at 2/3 cost.
MyNameIsJonas
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Kiermaier says sales pitch from TOR was CF job was his to lose, no platoon.
Bah, fuckers.
Bah, fuckers.
MON4NHLTOR4MLB
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So no Teo replacement? They just replaced Tapia 400+ plate appearances with KK. Cool…
MyNameIsJonas
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Lourdes can use a LH friend, but i suspect we cant offer Conforto the playing time to get him
If a C is moved Brantley still makes sense.
If a C is moved Brantley still makes sense.
MindzEye
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Every off season is the same around here. Pure god of the gaps shit.
Us: "valid criticism of the team"
Y'all: "lol haters, the off season has barely started"
- They do a thing, but not the thing that the backers expected/wanted them to do, the usually precludes the thing the backers wanted
Us: "lol"
Y'all: "There's still....these other guys" (provides list of significantly lesser players)
and before the defence force assembles, I want you to remember that y'all were talking about Rodon, & Nimmo 2 weeks ago.
Us: "valid criticism of the team"
Y'all: "lol haters, the off season has barely started"
- They do a thing, but not the thing that the backers expected/wanted them to do, the usually precludes the thing the backers wanted
Us: "lol"
Y'all: "There's still....these other guys" (provides list of significantly lesser players)
and before the defence force assembles, I want you to remember that y'all were talking about Rodon, & Nimmo 2 weeks ago.
Volcanologist
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someone explain to me how the Jays are going to improve from the mediocre wildcard spot chaser they have been?
Wayward DP
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just gotta hit that sweet spot
Volcanologist
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okay, I asked for that. 
UWHabs
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Better bullpen this year (Swanson+full year of Bass)
Bounce-back from Vlad. Continued improvement from kids. Berrios remembering how to pitch, Gausman remembering how to pitch to his FIP.
Plus maybe sharing some of the team's risk with the Yankees, so they become even riskier?
LeafOfFaith
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I think we all needed that little dose of cuteness right now.
MindzEye
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Yeah, I think the breakdown is basically this at the moment:
- Offensive Lineup: Is just weaker, full stop. Teo was a legitimate middle of the order stick that they're unlikely to replace. I'm going to bet that the plan is to use Merrifield/Biggio as the 4th/5th OF/swissarmyknives. I would say replacing Tapia's AB's is a positive, but it looks like they're going to KK, Merrifield, Biggio...which I don't think is an upgrade.
- Defence: KK pushing Springer to RF definitely makes the OF D better. IF D is unchanged.
- Rotation: Banking on Berrios returning to form, which probably isn't a terrible bet tbh. Bassitt replaces Stripling's career year, probably. But signing a 34 yr old late career breakout pitcher is probably riskier than I've seen mentioned in response to the move. Like we saw with Ryu, the decline can be drastic and fast at that age. I'm still a bit nervous about who the #5 is going to be, but as far as problems go, meh. If Berrios doesn't return to form the #5 really doesn't matter much, if Berrios does return to form, the #5 doesn't really matter much.
- Bullpen: Upgraded thankfully. Was an expensive upgrade imo, but it is what it is. Romano-Swanson-Bass is a pretty nasty way to end a game and it pushes some other good relievers (Cimber, Pop, Jimi, etc) into roles I think they're just better suited for. This is the type of bullpen I wanted to see the Jays start last season with. It all shakes out to less high leverage for good but not elite guys like Jimi and Cimber, and less 4+ out appearances for Romano, which is also good.
They're basically the same as last year. They'll win 87 on the bottom end, 91-92 on the top end and be in the chase for a wild card spot into the last week or two of the season.
- Offensive Lineup: Is just weaker, full stop. Teo was a legitimate middle of the order stick that they're unlikely to replace. I'm going to bet that the plan is to use Merrifield/Biggio as the 4th/5th OF/swissarmyknives. I would say replacing Tapia's AB's is a positive, but it looks like they're going to KK, Merrifield, Biggio...which I don't think is an upgrade.
- Defence: KK pushing Springer to RF definitely makes the OF D better. IF D is unchanged.
- Rotation: Banking on Berrios returning to form, which probably isn't a terrible bet tbh. Bassitt replaces Stripling's career year, probably. But signing a 34 yr old late career breakout pitcher is probably riskier than I've seen mentioned in response to the move. Like we saw with Ryu, the decline can be drastic and fast at that age. I'm still a bit nervous about who the #5 is going to be, but as far as problems go, meh. If Berrios doesn't return to form the #5 really doesn't matter much, if Berrios does return to form, the #5 doesn't really matter much.
- Bullpen: Upgraded thankfully. Was an expensive upgrade imo, but it is what it is. Romano-Swanson-Bass is a pretty nasty way to end a game and it pushes some other good relievers (Cimber, Pop, Jimi, etc) into roles I think they're just better suited for. This is the type of bullpen I wanted to see the Jays start last season with. It all shakes out to less high leverage for good but not elite guys like Jimi and Cimber, and less 4+ out appearances for Romano, which is also good.
They're basically the same as last year. They'll win 87 on the bottom end, 91-92 on the top end and be in the chase for a wild card spot into the last week or two of the season.
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Leafin'
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Pretty lame they won’t actually upgrade on Teo. 1 more solid OF would make for a good offseason.
that 5 spot in the rotation will be interesting to watch. Does White pull a Stripling? Does Kikuchi figure it out? Can Pearson stay healthy? A (likely) no to all 3 and it gets rough.
I still think the move to make is a catcher for a youngish LH OF to compete/platoon with KK and Gurriel.
that 5 spot in the rotation will be interesting to watch. Does White pull a Stripling? Does Kikuchi figure it out? Can Pearson stay healthy? A (likely) no to all 3 and it gets rough.
I still think the move to make is a catcher for a youngish LH OF to compete/platoon with KK and Gurriel.
