worm
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we added Higgins
Playoffs 2022
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99% of the time its correct
However if you win cups nobody cares about McDonough`s last few bad cap years
There are only a handful of Crosby`s or Kane`s who play out an entire long term deal elite
Your getting burnt almost every other time handing out big term to players in their late 20`s
We have our version called Guehle
worm
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the point was the rangers traded him at the right time
They made the choice to unload and reload which made sense
RM was 28-29 and they were not going to resign him
They are losing a ton of depth this summer and next and JH is due a huge raise
They need their doctor to give Bobo a rash note to get him off the books
GrandWazoo
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Not exactly the same caliber. Miller just had a 99 points season.
GrandWazoo
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Yeah and I'm still nervous that we're going to trade him.
Fuck no
I dont see Hugo patching this mess or going for a quick fix
There is no no way to fix this other than a patient system rebuild
Team is 4 players away from being 5 players away
D is atrocious , Price looks to be done
CC and Nick is all we got that has potential star ability .
GGpX
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McDonagh's play defensively hasn't dropped off yet and the contract Tampa Bay gave him has worked out, they've won two Cups. And if his defensive play continues, then he'll be one of the rare exceptions where one of those long-term contracts to late 20s / early 30s players who aren't HHOF-bound end up working. Also worth noting, defensemen who are very competent defensively can extend their careers even if they lose their offensive production; The same can't be said for forwards.
However, his offensive production has definitely dropped; He used to be a perennial 35-40 point d-man in New Yawk and he's had three straight ~20 point seasons in Tampa Bay. When you're on an offensive juggernaut like Tampa Bay, losing some of the offensive production you have isn't the end of the world, especially if you can compensate defensively. But on most teams, that starts to become a burden where you're paying $6.75M for a guy who doesn't bring much to the table offensively.
Also, as mentioned, we got more production from our McDonagh alone than New Yawk got for McDonagh + JT Miller. I understood why McDonagh was traded on the Rangers's end, he was a Pending UFA and they didn't want to give him a long-term contract in the middle of a rebuild.
However, his offensive production has definitely dropped; He used to be a perennial 35-40 point d-man in New Yawk and he's had three straight ~20 point seasons in Tampa Bay. When you're on an offensive juggernaut like Tampa Bay, losing some of the offensive production you have isn't the end of the world, especially if you can compensate defensively. But on most teams, that starts to become a burden where you're paying $6.75M for a guy who doesn't bring much to the table offensively.
Also, as mentioned, we got more production from our McDonagh alone than New Yawk got for McDonagh + JT Miller. I understood why McDonagh was traded on the Rangers's end, he was a Pending UFA and they didn't want to give him a long-term contract in the middle of a rebuild.
east coast
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Yes, in a cap world, there will always be logic for the Rangers to make that type of trade. They are not really hockey trades, per se, and can't really be analyzed in the traditonal way. Hindsight suggests to me, however, it may have made more sense to figure out a way to keep him and work the numbers some other way. As simplistic as it is to say it, they would like to have him in the lineup tonight.
GrandWazoo
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I know, we just have a bad history of trading away our good defensemen.
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou
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That's the big caveat. If you sign a guy to a long term boat anchor contract but you win a Cup in the short term, so what? You won the Cup, which is the reason for your existence as a franchise. If winning a Cup this year means spending the next 5 years in salary cap hell you do it.
It's when you commit to those bad contracts and you don't win the ultimate prize in the short term. That's when you fuck yourself. Had the Habs somehow pulled it off last summer I wouldn't care that the Price, Gallagher and Weber contracts are garbage.
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou
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And, if the story is to be believed, the only way the Habs were able to sign Gionta was to get Gomez.
worm
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dont tell ch1
worm
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Its all based on having a team at the competitive/contending stage
Hundreds of stupid contracts were handed out over the years that were either day 1 disasters like Lucic or Okposo or ridiculous a few years in like Price , Bobo etc...
Only exception is inking your future like Suzuki types to max term and having him for his entire prime year .
You have 8 years to figure it out as you build towards respectability .
The main issue is the contract moveable , how many productive years can you get and more importantly did you hand our a no trade clause to a non impact player
GGpX
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Vancouver would be insane not to trade JT Miller.
Imagine if they had received Cirelli or Joseph instead of those two, or even Ross Colton.
The problem with the trade to Tampa is, the NYR got two B prospects. They gave up quality rentals for quantity.
Imagine if they had received Cirelli or Joseph instead of those two, or even Ross Colton.