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TML? More like FML, amirite? Yet Another Off Season Thread

Wayward DP said:
acquire an asset that immediately helps your rebuild, or acquire an asset that you then need to find a way to jettison to acquire assets that will eventually help your rebuild?

I can't see CHI picking the former, but I know you hate Muzz and he must be included in any hypothetical transactions you contemplate so here we are
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That’s exactly what Kerf or Holl would be, just much less valuable.
 
By all means, I'm all for keeping your window open as long as possible, but you also have to make sure you do everything you can to jump through it at least once...otherwise what's the point?
 
CH1 said:
By all means, I'm all for keeping your window open as long as possible, but you also have to make sure you do everything you can to jump through it at least once...otherwise what's the point?
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Yeah, they have to make a true balls to the wall move. I thought they would by trading Muzz and signing Forsberg or something like that in the off-season, which would’ve been better. But those ships have sailed and if we can get a 100 point cup winner without subtracting from the roster, you can’t get greedy about holding onto a prospect.
 
CH1 said:
By all means, I'm all for keeping your window open as long as possible, but you also have to make sure you do everything you can to jump through it at least once...otherwise what's the point?
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Gotta weigh the probabilities though. Does 1 year of Kane give you a better shot of a cup than 5+ years of a 30 goal, 60+ point guy on the cheap? I don't know. If this was basketball and Kane was Kawhi and Robertson was Demar, then you obviously do it every time. But I'm not sure that in hockey, one guy moves the needle enough to justify it.
 
Disclaimer: I'm not saying Robertson will be that guy. I honestly have no idea. But if he is, the math/probabilities have to check out.
 
Preston said:
Gotta weight the probabilities though. Does 1 year of Kane give you a better shot of a cup than 5+ years of a 30 goal, 60+ point guy on the cheap? I don't know. If this was basketball and Kane was Kawhi and Robertson was Demar, then you obviously do it every time. But I'm not sure that in hockey, one guy moves the needle enough to justify it.
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last year vs Tampa, Kane would have moved the needle enough to overcome that one goal difference and who knows, might have turned those zeke banners into a real one
 
Preston said:
Gotta weigh the probabilities though. Does 1 year of Kane give you a better shot of a cup than 5+ years of a 30 goal, 60+ point guy on the cheap? I don't know. If this was basketball and Kane was Kawhi and Robertson was Demar, then you obviously do it every time. But I'm not sure that in hockey, one guy moves the needle enough to justify it.
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Yes.

You're overthinking this, with Matthews drawing all the attention Kane will go nuts on the league.
 
Preston said:
Gotta weigh the probabilities though. Does 1 year of Kane give you a better shot of a cup than 5+ years of a 30 goal, 60+ point guy on the cheap? I don't know. If this was basketball and Kane was Kawhi and Robertson was Demar, then you obviously do it every time. But I'm not sure that in hockey, one guy moves the needle enough to justify it.
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and the first probability in your calculus is figuring out the odds of Roberston giving you 5+ years of a 30 goal, 60+ points on the cheap
 
CH1 said:
and the first probability in your calculus is figuring out the odds of Roberston giving you 5+ years of a 30 goal, 60+ points on the cheap
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And consecutive five years at 30/60? I don't like the calculus.
 
CH1 said:
last year vs Tampa, Kane would have moved the needle enough to overcome that one goal difference and who knows, might have turned those zeke banners into a real one
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Yeah not saying it isn't possible. But it isn't as black or white as it is for basketball, for example. 1 year of a stud vs full control and 3-5+ years of a good 1st liner is never gonna be a lock.

But as you say you also have to know/understand what you have in Robertson. Statistically he compares very favorably to a lot of studs currently in the league. But hwat are the odds he becomes that first liner? I don't know. It's not an easy decision.
 
How much better is Robertson than plugging in (on an annual basis) a series of Buntings, McCanns, etc.
Dubas has a track record of finding 25G, 50pts guys in the trash
 
Volcanologist said:
that's 2 B/B+ prospects and very late 1st rounder. It's not exactly a haul if I'm Chicago.
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ehhh....Robertson is an A prospect. Not an A+ like Powers, but if we just take a standard top 100 list like this one:

thehockeywriters.com

The NHL's Top 100 Prospects - Midseason Update - The Hockey Writers Editor's Choice Latest News, Analysis & More

Every team has articles ranking their top prospects. But how do they all compare together? This list takes a look at the top-100 prospects.
thehockeywriters.com thehockeywriters.com

There's a bunch of forwards in that top 15 that if you swapped out Robertson's performance for theirs last season, they would move up the draft rankings and not down.
 
Preston said:
Yeah not saying it isn't possible. But it isn't as black or white as it is for basketball, for example. 1 year of a stud vs full control and 3-5+ years of a good 1st liner is never gonna be a lock.

But as you say you also have to know/understand what you have in Robertson. Statistically he compares very favorably to a lot of studs currently in the league. But hwat are the odds he becomes that first liner? I don't know. It's not an easy decision.
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Maybe Kane puts up 40 goals and decides to resign another two years for like $5m per. Then you’re comparing the value of 3 elite Kane years versus 5 who knows Robertson years. Point being, it’s all speculation and we need to win now or there will be changes thrust on us that will likely fuck up the course of the franchise.
 
CH1 said:
I edited my post but basically whatever Chicago wants …. You guys haven’t won a playoff round in a thousand years… this is not a time to show how savvy you are with nickels and dimes and former 2nd round picks
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Say what you think it would take.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
Maybe Kane puts up 40 goals and decides to resign another two years for like $5m per. Then you’re comparing the value of 3 elite Kane years versus 5 who knows Robertson years. Point being, it’s all speculation and we need to win now or there will be changes thrust on us that will likely fuck up the course of the franchise.
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That's what we're here for yeah!
 
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