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2020 Offseason Miscellaneous Thread

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If he made amends to the kid there would be no issue. If he were to do so now, there would be no issue. This is somewhat different than the cancel culture.

if he had raped a girl and was found guilty and did community service But never apologized would you feel the same? Would you expect her family to just forgive and forget?

these leagues have an image precisely because the players get away with garbage behavior.

in my mind it’s not ok what he did to the other kid until the other kid says it’s ok. If he tried to make it up to him he’d have more than he said he apologized.
 
Paulie Walnuts said:
He can probably play at a small school . Some of those teams will take kids like this . If he played FB the Raiders would take him.

Mike Tyson did time for rape and went back to boxing but that was a while back. He might not have done that now.
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No school is going to risk the backlash of taking a "racist bully". He's done.
 
TheBigKahuna said:
No school is going to risk the backlash of taking a "racist bully". He's done.
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To be fair he was proven to be a racist bully. And there are levels of bullying and this was proven to be rather extreme.

and he’s done nothing much to show that he’s not still a racist bully. I don’t count letters to coaches and teams saying he’s changed.

I don’t feel sorry for him. He’s not a victim of anything. He did bad and he needs to fix it. The onus for that is on him. He was a dirtbag at 14. Show me something that makes me think he’s not still a dirtbag. If he does that some doors will reopen for him

as far as others coming out of the woodwork about other players etc. past actions - if they have proof then good.

This should not be lumped in with cancel culture because it’s not that. What he did is not just something some find offensive. It’s reprehensible behavior that is completely unacceptable. He wrecked years of another kids life.
 
cmon3 said:
If he made amends to the kid there would be no issue. If he were to do so now, there would be no issue. This is somewhat different than the cancel culture.

if he had raped a girl and was found guilty and did community service But never apologized would you feel the same? Would you expect her family to just forgive and forget?

these leagues have an image precisely because the players get away with garbage behavior.

in my mind it’s not ok what he did to the other kid until the other kid says it’s ok. If he tried to make it up to him he’d have more than he said he apologized.
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If you're addressing me then ...

1. We don't know anything for sure on "amends," since there is conflicting information. We know he engaged in racist bullying of a disadvantaged kid. I bloody hate that behavior, just to be clear.

2. But he didn't, so ... not the same argument. At least not for me, personally.

3. Bottom line ... I don't know enough to be accurately outraged and I'm simply refusing to play along. That's me. Everybody should do whatever they feel comfortable with I guess, but I don't feel like we're doing anybody any favors from this distance. Consequences are important, but so are a lot of things.
 
andyt said:
No body checking in the OHL this season.

www.sportsnet.ca

No bodychecking will be allowed in upcoming OHL season

The Ontario Hockey League will not have bodychecking this coming season.
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Really?

If you are going to do that due to Covid concerns then what about faceoffs? I would argue faceoffs are even more likely to spread Covid than a body check would. What are we going to do next, just have everyone stand socially distanced on the ice and have the linesman throw the puck into a random corner instead of a faceoff? Maybe they should scrap the whole notion of a real game and just do 3 periods of skills. 1st period is just 3 on 2 breakaways. 2nd period is 2 on 1 breakaways. 3rd period everyone in the lineup takes a shootout shot.

I would rather they just not play a season at all if they are going to start to mess with the game that much in order to make it safe enough to play through COVID. This is not doing something relatively benign like eliminating fighting. You can't check anyone? What if you accidentally run into someone? Can you scrum along the boards (isn;'t that also more dangerous than a body check as far as Covid goes?)

I think the OHL is being ridiculous. Just shut down the season.
 
cmaleski2 said:
Really?

If you are going to do that due to Covid concerns then what about faceoffs? I would argue faceoffs are even more likely to spread Covid than a body check would. What are we going to do next, just have everyone stand socially distanced on the ice and have the linesman throw the puck into a random corner instead of a faceoff? Maybe they should scrap the whole notion of a real game and just do 3 periods of skills. 1st period is just 3 on 2 breakaways. 2nd period is 2 on 1 breakaways. 3rd period everyone in the lineup takes a shootout shot.

I would rather they just not play a season at all if they are going to start to mess with the game that much in order to make it safe enough to play through COVID. This is not doing something relatively benign like eliminating fighting. You can't check anyone? What if you accidentally run into someone? Can you scrum along the boards (isn;'t that also more dangerous than a body check as far as Covid goes?)

I think the OHL is being ridiculous. Just shut down the season.
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It’s exceedingly stupid. My daughter played hockey. Girls/Women’s ice hockey is non-check by rule. But non-check doesn’t mean non-contact. When her teams played boys teams, it drive the boys parents nuts when there was contact. A scrum in the corner is going to have more body contact than a check. Clearing the crease is going to have more contact than a body check. A body check happens in the blink of the eye, the other situations don’t.
 
Red Wings re-sign Anthony Mantha to a 4 year/$22.8 million contract. He was coming off a 2 year/$6.6 million bridge deal. He was eligible but didn’t file for arbitration. He had 16g/22a in 43 games last year after back to back 48 point seasons.
 
Curious player, Mantha. He finally sort of broke through last season, on pace for 70-something points projected over 82 games, but got top opportunity minutes all year on the worst team in hockey. If his usage was moderated to fit prior production you wonder how impactful he'd actually be on a decent team that wasn't using him so heavily ... and he still comes and goes like a freaking ghost. I like the guy, but something tells me that if he wasn't 6'5" and 230-something pounds he would be fairly anonymous.
 
Isles re-sign Ryan Pulock before his arbitration hearing. He gets 2 years/$10 million. Year 1 is $2.6 million salary, $740k bonus, year 2 is $5.16 salary, $1.5 million bonus. He was coming off 2 years/$4 million. His first year salary on the new contract is lower than his actual from last season.

We’re down to 2 hearings still on the schedule. Ryan Strome is tomorrow and MacKenzie Weegar is Sunday. Only Tyler Bertuzzi has come all the way through to a decision.
 
That means the Isles are going to have to clear some serious space if they hope to re-sign Barzal. They've got $5 mil and change left and there's no way he's dumb enough to sign for that. Any body want Clutterbuck or Komorov for a bag of pucks? Half a bag if you take both.
 
jeffbear said:
That means the Isles are going to have to clear some serious space if they hope to re-sign Barzal. They've got $5 mil and change left and there's no way he's dumb enough to sign for that. Any body want Clutterbuck or Komorov for a bag of pucks? Half a bag if you take both.
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Boychuk makes almost as much as those 2 combined. And they still have 3 more years of Andrew Ladd at $5.5 million per.
 
andyt said:
Boychuk makes almost as much as those 2 combined. And they still have 3 more years of Andrew Ladd at $5.5 million per.
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Yeah, but I can't believe there'd be a market for Boychuk. Who am I kidding? There's no market for those other two either.

And I think every team is over the Cap floor at this point. Seriously. NHL teams need to STOP bailing these teams out. 9 freaking teams are over the Cap right now and several others are close with multiple players to re-sign.
 
jeffbear said:
Yeah, but I can't believe there'd be a market for Boychuk. Who am I kidding? There's no market for those other two either.

And I think every team is over the Cap floor at this point. Seriously. NHL teams need to STOP bailing these teams out. 9 freaking teams are over the Cap right now and several others are close with multiple players to re-sign.
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Some of the teams over the cap will get under with LTIR. CapFriendly still includes them in the cap money for now. Arizona has Marian Hossa, Anaheim has Ryan Kesler, etc. And some of the teams way below aren’t complete. The bottom 3 are New Jersey, LA and Nashville but their rosters only show 16, 19, 19 players, respectively.
 
andyt said:
Some of the teams over the cap will get under with LTIR. CapFriendly still includes them in the cap money for now. Arizona has Marian Hossa, Anaheim has Ryan Kesler, etc. And some of the teams way below aren’t complete. The bottom 3 are New Jersey, LA and Nashville but their rosters only show 16, 19, 19 players, respectively.
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I checked and according to CapFriendly everybody is already over the Cap floor with current rosters. So, there's no pressure on anyone to take on contracts for compliance reasons. Given tighter budgets brought on by lower projected revenues, I really don't see why even a non-competitive team would take on payroll just to help out another club. Which means the cost of those bailout deals could be significant going forward. Which is how it should be all the freaking time in my book. You wanna spend like drunken sailors on free agents that don't pan out, then you should factor in the pain of getting out of your own misery.
 
jeffbear said:
I checked and according to CapFriendly everybody is already over the Cap floor with current rosters. So, there's no pressure on anyone to take on contracts for compliance reasons. Given tighter budgets brought on by lower projected revenues, I really don't see why even a non-competitive team would take on payroll just to help out another club. Which means the cost of those bailout deals could be significant going forward. Which is how it should be all the freaking time in my book. You wanna spend like drunken sailors on free agents that don't pan out, then you should factor in the pain of getting out of your own misery.
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Right, they’re all above the floor. My point is that at least a few of the teams that are at the bottom of the list on CapFriendly don’t have complete rosters. So while New Jersey is $4ish million above the floor, they only have 16 players on the roster. They don’t have to take on cap casualties from other teams for compliance purposes, but they might for competitive purposes. Are the Devils, Preds, Kings, etc. going to fill their empty roster spots with prospects? In some cases, yes. But 4 - 7 players from the AHL? Probably not.
 
Under normal circumstances, the close to the floor teams would be looking at piling up draft picks for taking those contracts on. I think they'll be a little more circumspect about that given the limited amount of playing time (and evalution opportunities) that draft eligible players got last year and will get this year. The next draft is going to involve some serious guesswork, and I'd be less willing to spend big bucks to buy a draft pick that has a higher than usual chance of being a complete whiff.
 
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